Having a second job?

[Steve]

Do airlines like Jetblue, UPS and Fedex have rules against having a second flying Job like instructing or towing gliders for your glider club?

 

[General Lee]

No. Just don't miss a trip at your airline.

 

[nightrider]

I believe UPS has a policy against having a second flying job. With our schedules you won't have time anyway.

 

[Falconjet]

FedEx

The FedEx contract stipulates that all of your flying for pay will be with the company, so recreational flying would be ok but another flying job would not.

 

[LearLove]

Most 121 carriers have some kind of rule on additional commercial flying, also you've got 121 flight tme regs to deal with.

My view:

Show up on time, do your job, play nice with the other kids and with your own time, well - they don't ask, I don't tell.

 

[P3tarbaby]

I have met a number of airshow pilots that are airline pilots.

 

[Redtails]

At jetBlue, personal flying for proficiency, pleasure, or military duties is permitted as long as it doesn't disrupt your normal flying schedule to include time spent on reserve. However, no "other commerical flying" is permitted-- so I guess anything that is considered "for hire" is a no-no, but this is as far as it gets in the FOM, therefore it's not very specific.

 

[Ty Webb]

I have heard different inerpretations of the "other commercial flying". Some airlines only consider 121 or 135 to be commercial flying, and things like flight instruction are tolerated.

I think that the FAA would certainly consider Part 91 Ops as commercial flight time, though, even if the company doesn't, so the thing to watch for are your time restrictions.
Usually, it isn't the 100 hrs in a month, it's the "30 in 7" that you would be up against.

You'd be surprised how many airline pilots get killed in GA aircraft on their time off, though. I know several myself, within the last five years.

 

[de727ups]

UPS

UPS does prohibit "outside commercial flying". But I know of a management pilot who used to fly for one of those air combat kinda places....he musta had a waiver from the company....

What "outside commercial flying" really means, I'm not sure. I have heard rumors both ways that it does and does not include part 91 flight training.

 

[AlbieF15]

Personally, I'd love to doing some CFI/CFII work just to get my foot back into general aviation...BUT...I don't think its worth sitting down across from my chief pilot and explaining why I deliberately broke the company's rules. There is no shortage of folks wanting a job at a major, and I think anyone who DELIBERATELY breaks those rules might get seriously hurt. (ie...terminated!)

Obviously, the stakes are dependant on how much you like your current job and your company's policy. I really don't know if this rule is a "wink wink, nudge nudge" kind of deal or hard and fast, so I just play by the rules and plan on keep trying to get a FDX paycheck or two every month.

One option for you under 30 types who need extra income might be a military option--flying in the Reserves or ANG. Lots of posts on those options and no company restrictions legally allowed on that type of work.

Other job options for pilots (away from flying) include perhaps ground instruction at flight schools, sales (cars, real estate, pharma...pharma....DRUGS!), professional work (law, real estate appraisals, etc), substitute teaching, construction or home repair, and owning a lawn care business. I know pilots who've done some of these, both to augument income and now to help ride out the furlough.

Maybe we could start another thread with "other jobs that dovetail nicely into an airline lifestyle".

 

[PurpleInMEM]

Outside flying at FDX

Outside flying at FDX is easy. The contract allows for it (CBA Section 12.A.1.b) provided you receive a letter from the VP of Flight Ops or his designee, which in most cases means your ACP. Basically you submit a letter that outlines how you won't bust FAR limits nor will you work for a company that competes with FDX. Your ACP reviews it and issues the "outside flying letter". I've earned a decent amount of money flying corporate on a contract basis. I considered the reserves, but corporate flying pays better.

Fly safe.

 

[de727ups]

Another option...

Don't charge a fee for flight time and charge twice as much for ground time....

 

[AlbieF15]

Purple....

Waaay good info. I'm feeling smarter already! Another nice bit of gouge learned on flightinfo....

Anyone in NW Florida need a CFII for occassional duty?