Has anyone tried this solution to PFT?

[CUBMAN]

English;

The only downside that I see in your situation is that you would be out X amount of money for whatever type rating you are seeking. Its not like you are buying your job and taking money out of someones kids mouth. Thats just my opinion, I could be wrong.

Cubman

 

[GV-Ace]

Back to my original question....

Are there any downsides to doing what I proposed in my first post?

No downside, English. You should run for Chief Pilot.

The fact that some miss is that one could:

A. Get a free type and then make 85K per year, or,
B. Pay 30K for a type and make 105K per year (net 10K less year one, 10K more year 2, etc)

However the cards may fall, one needs to look at the entire package. Your idea is better than the normal PFT, is that many folks don't have the 30K, and, there is no guarantee that they don't pay for the rating and get canned the next day.

G

 

[English]

No downside, English. You should run for Chief Pilot.

Or President.

You must know me. Do I know you?

 

[GV-Ace]

You must know me. Do I know you?

That, my dear, is for me to know...

G

 

[English]

The flightinfo mystery man....

 

[kingairyahoo]

That, my dear, is for me to know...

G

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[slowto250]

Naw....it's more like, another episode of "As the turbine whines".

 

[English]

I guess the ultimate litmus test is that Gulfstream 200 hasn't chimed yet.

Hey Gulfstream 200, if you happen to read this, I'd really like to read your opinion.

 

[groundpointsix]

I think that in principle, your idea makes total sense. Unfortunately, the same companies that make pilot's PFT are often the same ones that pay their pilots crap. So let's say they're offering me $60,000 a year to fly a Falcon (I'm assuming that's low end even for an F/O, correct me if I'm wrong) but they want to deduct the $38,000 quoted earlier for the type rating from my salary. Suddenly I'm working for $22,000/year. I can make more than that instructing in a C152. (And probably have a marginally better quality of life).

Now, if we start talking reasonable paychecks, say $100,000 minus the cost of training for one year, it might be a little more palletable.

 

[fly4free]

Pft

I agree with you. That's the cost of doing buisness. Some operators are taking advantage knowing the job market is currently tough for pilots. As a result they may feel that some pilots are willing to give up their savings or ask for bank loan. This just makes it harder for the rest of us.

Only my opinion....

I don't understand why everyone believes that it is the employers cost of doing buisness to type rate pilots for a position. Some of you guys need to understand that the owner of the company can and will do whatever he or she wants...pay for training, contracts, non industry standard salaries, selling aircraft out from under crews...need I go on.

If a company requires contracts for training costs...sign and fullfill the contract or PAY. And be happy to have your new type rating.

If a company requires PFT up front...PAY or go somewhere else and work. And be happy.

If a company pays for your training without a contract...do good work for them for a reasonable amount of time (year or two depending) and then if things don't work out...go somewhere else and be happy

If pilots are applying for jobs that require specific Type ratings or qualifications they don't already posess they shouldn't expect the company to pay for it without some sort of guarantee. Especially the way a lot of pilots job hop from job to job to job...why should all those companies pay for this kind of pilot's training.

And, yes, tanking a lower salary for the first year with a bonus at the end is a great alternative to up front costs. Try to just get a contract though with no reduction in first year salary. Better INMO.

Don't mean to ruffle feathers but PFT and contracts are not going anywhere, so lets all learn how to get along with them.

Fly

 

[kingairyahoo]

PFT and contracts are not going anywhere, so lets all learn how to get along with them.

Fly

contracts i have no problem with. PFT, ummmm no thanks...

 

[GV-Ace]

I don't understand why everyone believes that it is the employers cost of doing buisness to type rate pilots for a position. Some of you guys need to understand that the owner of the company can and will do whatever he or she wants...pay for training, contracts, non industry standard salaries, selling aircraft out from under crews...need I go on.

If a company requires contracts for training costs...sign and fullfill the contract or PAY. And be happy to have your new type rating.

If a company requires PFT up front...PAY or go somewhere else and work. And be happy.

If a company pays for your training without a contract...do good work for them for a reasonable amount of time (year or two depending) and then if things don't work out...go somewhere else and be happy

If pilots are applying for jobs that require specific Type ratings or qualifications they don't already posess they shouldn't expect the company to pay for it without some sort of guarantee. Especially the way a lot of pilots job hop from job to job to job...why should all those companies pay for this kind of pilot's training.

And, yes, tanking a lower salary for the first year with a bonus at the end is a great alternative to up front costs. Try to just get a contract though with no reduction in first year salary. Better INMO.

Don't mean to ruffle feathers but PFT and contracts are not going anywhere, so lets all learn how to get along with them.

Fly

I disagree. I'm so handsome and wonderful that employers should pay for my type ratings, moving expenses and a signing bonus, just to have the pleasure of my presence for anywhere from a day to a year. It’s worth their investment just to say they have had me set foot in their plane.



If an employer is not going to invest his hard earned money in MY future, who will?



Just ask anyone who knows me on this board - they all LOVE me.

 

[Flyin Tony]

Did I PFT

Did I PFT

My Dad paid for my pvt ifr com cfi. Now I fly him around for free. So did I PFT

Im just asking

sorry had nothing else to post