H. Con. Res. 496

[Andy]

H. Con. Res 496.

From the House floor:

11:51 A.M. - Considered as privileged matter.
H. Con. Res. 496: providing for an adjournment or recess of the two Houses
Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection.
On agreeing to the resolution Agreed to without objection.

1:16 P.M. - The House adjourned. The next meeting is scheduled for 1:30 p.m. on November 17, 2006 unless it sooner has received a message from the Senate transmitting its concurrence in H.Con.Res. 496, in which case the House shall stand adjourned pursuant to that concurrent resolution.
On motion to adjourn Agreed to by voice vote.
Mr. Osborne moved that the House do now adjourn.


From: http://clerk.house.gov/floorsummary/floor.html (make sure that you're on the 15 Nov page).


The Senate needs to pump out a CR since the current one expires on 17 Nov. Hey, since they've got to do one anyway, why not put it out and then concur with H. Con. Res 496?
With a huge changeover of committees in both houses, that's the likely scenario. I will keep all informed.

 

[Sporto]

How bout breakin this out in laymans terms Andy. BTW...you're the best.

 

[Falcon Jet 1]

Andy ,plz laymens terms

 

[Andy]

It means that the 109th Congress ends. All bills not passed prior to recess die. (And almost positive that all bills not reconciled also die).
The 110th Congress starts on 3 Jan with a clean slate; no bills carry over from the previous session.

 

[SkiFishFly]

What?! There is lots of business to get done before the congress changes hands...

 

[Falconjet]

The only fly in the ointment that I can see is that if the FAA decides to go ahead and make the change on its own.

I'm hoping that won't happen, but who knows. I'm sure this will be back in the new year when the over 60 dudes get their spin machine started back up.

Thanks for the info Andy.

FJ

 

[Falcon Jet 1]

if the feds change this it will be years at the rate they do stuff with all of their studies

 

[Lear70]

Andy is correct on both counts.

It was a lame duck session, no one wanted to push any issues that were going to be close votes because it would probably be spinning their wheels wasting time and they all just wanted to go home (especially those who were either retiring or were booted in this last election).

So, we go back into the next session after New Year's, it has to be drawn up again (which it will, it was a rider on some other stuff that needs to be taken care of), and we'll be back to debating it then.

Basically it's all temporarily on hold through the rest of Nov and all of Dec... not going away. Don't get your hopes up about this quietly dying, still very much alive and kicking on both sides.

 

[sleeves]

Thanks Andy.

 

[Andy]

The only fly in the ointment that I can see is that if the FAA decides to go ahead and make the change on its own.

I'm hoping that won't happen, but who knows. I'm sure this will be back in the new year when the over 60 dudes get their spin machine started back up.

Thanks for the info Andy.

FJ

The FAA will 'study' this to death and will not change the regulation. If the FAA does decide to change it without being forced by legislation, it will be many years from now.
Watch this clip (UndauntedFlyer is the one asking the question):
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=age+60&hl=en
As you can hear from Administrator Blakey's response, this isn't even on her radar. Also note what timeframe for a rulemaking chang she gave - 'quite a long time.' In politicalspeak, 'it isn't going to change on my watch.'

As far as any change due to judicial rulings, that's already been ruled on in favor of the status quo.

Where it's possible to change is through the legislative process. Based on 7 Nov, this issue is dead through the end of '08. Consider this: Gibbons (sponsor of HR 65) is the Governor-elect of NV and 16 of the 83 cosponsors will not return. In the Senate, three of the 25 cosponsors will not return.
I'll comment on odds of it passing in the 111th Congress after I know the '08 election results.

 

[Hutchman]

I think the FAA has been studying the rest rules for 11 years now.....

 

[Falconjet]

Intersting video, but it sure doesn't give me any warm and fuzzies. Her response is about as weak as Prater's in regard to his support of the age 60 rule.

As a side, that UndauntedFlyer is really a piece of work. Pilots thrust into poverty and wards of the PBGC. Yeah, 37 years as a major airline pilot and he is going to be poverty stricken because he has to retire. What a tool. Go get another job you putz.

FJ

 

[Andy]

Intersting video, but it sure doesn't give me any warm and fuzzies. Her response is about as weak as Prater's in regard to his support of the age 60 rule.

As a side, that UndauntedFlyer is really a piece of work. Pilots thrust into poverty and wards of the PBGC. Yeah, 37 years as a major airline pilot and he is going to be poverty stricken because he has to retire. What a tool. Go get another job you putz.

FJ

You gotta remember, she's a politician - I think the body langauge at the beginning of her statement was more indicative than her words. And she was in a pro-change environment. A bunch of pilots at Sun 'n Fun. It ain't the young airline pilots who have the time off, own an airplane, and can afford to attend those gatherings.

Does that mean you won't be attending UndauntedFlyer's 60th birthday party at Chuck's in Honolulu? It's on 29 January 07. Rumor has it that the Mai Tais will be served out of the shrunken skulls of furloughees (great visual, Pipe).

My recall class at United is a week prior to his birthday. I wonder if I'm going back because the guy who's taking Undaunted's place is allowing a narrowbody Captain to upgrade to the 767 who's allowing a widebody FO to upgrade to narrowbody Captain who's allowing a 767 FO to upgrade to a widebody FO who's allowing a narrowbody FO to upgrade to a 767? Nah; I'm immediately going on mil leave.

Here's another video clip; 'ol Duane talking about the ARC. Rumor has it that the ARC is hopelessly deadlocked and accomplishing nothing ... sounds like things went as planned for the FAA on the ARC. Good job, Duane. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1416131890101222712&q=age+60&hl=en

 

[Falcon Jet 1]

Dudes, they are stll in session

 

[Freight Dog]

That video kills me.... UndauntedFlyer will experience poverty? That just breaks my heart. The man has been in the left seat of a widebody for AT LEAST a decade and he'll be in poverty at age 60? That is hilarious!

He should talk to some regional guys about poverty.

 

[Andy]

Dudes, they are stll in session

You are correct; they are still in session. The Senate has not acted on 496 yet. And the text of 496 only has them recess until the first week of Dec, not until the new session (which is what I had expected).
The Senate has not yet passed a CR (continuing resolution) in place of the one that expires on 17 Nov. There are still 8 appropriations bills outstanding; next one to be debated is the Ag appropriations bill.
Word is that the Capital is in chaos due to the changeover of both houses. Not much is getting accomplished.

 

[Lear70]

Dudes, they are stll in session

Yeah, but it's still just wrapping up loose ends and general housekeeping items. The quicker they do it, the quicker they go home.

The retirement age legislation has been put to bed until next session.

 

[LivinDaDream]

The Rule change is lumped in with the transportation spending bill and will most likely be handled as omnibus spending bill which is approved in one big "adios" vote as they head out the door. It will almost definitely pass this session. What happens when it reaches the FAA is another story.

However, this bill has very specific deadlines and extremely limited wiggle room for the FAA. It is quite unlike the reserve rest issue that took years to get put in place. That is why the ARC was formed prior to the bill passing. There is only a 30 day window to change the part 121 language once a vote takes place.

 

[Lear70]

Hmm... I thought that was what they had agreed to table?

30 days to change? Cool... hope the feds enjoy being on the other end of the hammer.

Hope you're right, time will tell.

 

[Falcon Jet 1]

talked to an aide today and it is going t get pulled, republicans are agreeing to pull it know since the Faa has commissioned the ARC. So it aint passing this year. He also said that he doubted very seriously if this appropriations was to get voted on at all.

 

[Andy]

Dudes, they are stll in session

They're back in recess until 1000 4 Dec, where the Senate convenes and then adjourns until 1200 5 Dec.

There's chaos in DC and they have 8 appropriations bills to get through before the end of session. They'll end up CRing (continuing resolution) any that haven't passed into the next session of congress.

 

[Andy]

The Rule change is lumped in with the transportation spending bill and will most likely be handled as omnibus spending bill which is approved in one big "adios" vote as they head out the door. It will almost definitely pass this session.

An omnibus bill has near zero chance of getting through the Senate. It requires 60 votes. I can think of 45 who will oppose, since they will have control in the 110th.

 

[Andy]

talked to an aide today and it is going t get pulled, republicans are agreeing to pull it know since the Faa has commissioned the ARC. So it aint passing this year. He also said that he doubted very seriously if this appropriations was to get voted on at all.

Sounds correct. Congress doesn't like it when legislation is added to appropriations bills. Even if they favor the legislation, it sets a dangerous precedent.

 

[Big Beer Belly]

As a side, that UndauntedFlyer is really a piece of work. Pilots thrust into poverty and wards of the PBGC. Yeah, 37 years as a major airline pilot and he is going to be poverty stricken because he has to retire. What a tool. Go get another job you putz.

FJ

His food stamp argument was absurd and and yet typical of the "fly till you die" cheerleaders. Putz pretty much sums it up!

BBB

 

[Big Beer Belly]

The FAA will 'study' this to death and will not change the regulation. If the FAA does decide to change it without being forced by legislation, it will be many years from now.
Watch this clip (UndauntedFlyer is the one asking the question):
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=age+60&hl=en
As you can hear from Administrator Blakey's response, this isn't even on her radar. Also note what timeframe for a rulemaking chang she gave - 'quite a long time.' In politicalspeak, 'it isn't going to change on my watch.'

As far as any change due to judicial rulings, that's already been ruled on in favor of the status quo.

Where it's possible to change is through the legislative process. Based on 7 Nov, this issue is dead through the end of '08. Consider this: Gibbons (sponsor of HR 65) is the Governor-elect of NV and 16 of the 83 cosponsors will not return. In the Senate, three of the 25 cosponsors will not return.
I'll comment on odds of it passing in the 111th Congress after I know the '08 election results.

Andy ... many thanks for all the info and your efforts on this important issue. Hope you're "rising" soon! :laugh: Probably the same lame ad agency came up with, "What can brown do for you?" :smash:

BBB

 

[JAM-BRO]

Long Live Age 60!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[GuppyWN]

Long Live Age 60!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, until I'm 58.

Gup

 

[Falcon Jet 1]

Well, until I'm 58.

Gup

Ditto

 

[Lear70]

*snicker*

 

[SkiFishFly]

I'm willing to hold off until I'm 59. No use getting worried too soon...