Gulfstream Academy dangerous to the profession?

[DoubtingThomas]

Baawaaaahahaha! You sir, must be my old lady!

And I guess I too have now "felt your sting"! Ouch!

 

[tomcat]

I Know a GIA guy. His decision making skills are really being put to the test... He doesn't know what to do.. maybe some of you Self Appointed Premeir guys can help him out...

See he is deciding on where he should go after GIA......



Fedex or SWA.




As he has offers from both. He was saying the SWA hiring guys said they really like the GIA guys. The no auto pilot flying and constant mentoring. FedEx likes that too.....

I was just talking with him the other day. What a predicament! Great guy for that to happen to!

 

[Captjiggles]

I found a extra large tool bag for Scuba and I'm getting an Expressjet logo, excuse me, I mean a " I pretty much work at CAL anyway" patch on it.

 

[FlyBunny]

Huh...

From: http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/news/15394392.htm

Before coming to Comair in 2002, Polehinke spent five years flying short-range twin-engine planes for Florida-based Gulfstream International Airlines. As at Comair, Polehinke did not have a history of problems, Gulfstream director of operations Tom Herfort told the Associated Press.

Both pilots who were at the controls of the infamous Pinnacle "accident" were former Gulfstream. Now this; although until we hear the cockpit voice recorder, this seems like more of a true accident instead of severe gross incompetent negligence. A buddy of mine pointed this out that it seems like if you have one pilot with a gulfstream background, then you really are down to one competant minded pilot. Having 3 out of 4 pilots involved in the last 2 fatal aviation accidents in the US with Gulfstream backgrounds does not bode well for that program and is terrible track record. My first question, is what the heck is going on over there at Gulfstream? Followed by, why would anyone decide to fly for Gulfstream? Followed by, is Gulfstream Academy dangerous to the profession? I say yes at this point and it's sad that it's set up brings down all of us.

Interesting!

So, as per your thought-process, if it is so that the ‘Gulfstream’ pilots are dangerous…how come this guy managed four years of flawless flying in a CRJ-200?

Also, why won’t you question the airlines who hire those pilots? I’m sure that if these guys were sub par in their standards, they wouldn’t have made it through the interview process, would they?

How come they did?

Secondly, take a look at all accidents (91/121/135, etc.) and see how many are military pilots. You’d be surprised. Based on the statistics, I’d say military pilots are danger to flying.

I knew sooner or later the Gulfstream thing will come about. If it’s not Mesa, it’s Gulfstream, it not Gulfstream, it’s Pinnacle.

Keep going. It’s beginning to get interesting.

Bunny

 

[Jetpipeovht]

I found a extra large tool bag for Scuba and I'm getting an Expressjet logo, excuse me, I mean a " I pretty much work at CAL anyway" patch on it.

LOL!!!

 

[70-SS]

I hope he takes fedex and throws swa my way.

 

[The_Russian]

Hey,

I have a '70 SS too!

 

[anewunion]

leave the guy alone. He's still in the hospital...

 

[ApocketA's_145]

I Know a GIA guy. His decision making skills are really being put to the test... He doesn't know what to do.. maybe some of you Self Appointed Premeir guys can help him out...

See he is deciding on where he should go after GIA......



Fedex or SWA.




As he has offers from both. He was saying the SWA hiring guys said they really like the GIA guys. The no auto pilot flying and constant mentoring. FedEx likes that too.....




Any questions?

hey! i know a whole bunch of GIA guys, i also know a guy that got offered fedex, im curious to know who your talking about, dont have to say his full name of course, but maybe initials. ttyl buddy

 

[Kip Dynomite]

I think the UFO that crashed in Roswell was piloted by a gulfstreamer. Dang, you would think aliens with their supreme intellect would have known hiring a GIA grad was risky considering they are all required to take a philosophical probablilty course by Dr. Fly2Scuba.

 

[b19]

You are dangerous to the profession

I have read with both disgust and concern the responses here demonstrating a "this could never happen to me attitude", all while bashing a fellow pilot. I am not going to get into a childish pizzing match comparing my skills to yours, or your superior skills and background to Jim's. Instead in the interest of safety I ask that you compare youself to a pilot I recently saw interviewed.

On national tv, while being interviewed for commentary by Matt Lauer, John J. Nance admitted to three times taxing onto the wrong runway for takeoff. Yes thats right three times. John said that one time his FO caught it, another the controller, and the third time he did, and he said he was lucky. John Nance is a retired Air Force fighter pilot, Vietnam and Desert Storm and retired Alaska Airlines Captain.

So please all of you who have been so critical of Jim, explain how you are so superior in your skills and training that you could never make the same mistake that either Jim did, or that John Nance did but was lucky enough to catch.

Maybe just maybe some learning and a little less arrogance will take place in the course of your comparison response and thereby increase your safety as pilots, and your compassion as human beings.

Fly safe and wish Jim some peace.

 

[70-SS]

Hey,

I have a '70 SS too!

The only ride that rules, and a Formula PC.

 

[federico]

Fly2scuba were are you now buddy. or is your head still up your gai a$$. 800 hours of stalls in the practice Area. wow and four years of EMB 145 automated trainer jet. We had a guy wash out and go go gojets a make it as a captain.

 

[Poahi]

My experience has been that usually, the guys who are the first to criticize are the ones to get themselves in trouble - badly. Some pilots really don’t understand that arrogance is a weakness not a strength.

For what it's worth and to all you Gulfstream/Riddle/Mesa bashers who think these kinds of programs contribute to accidents, please understand this:

The FAA, NTSB, ALPA CAS Committee and most experienced pilots from the regionals to majors disagree with you.

And finally, if you are going to criticize someone for being incompetent, at least spell competence correctly. You bring shame on the industry and yourself.

 

[mac36]

I found a extra large tool bag for Scuba and I'm getting an Expressjet logo, excuse me, I mean a " I pretty much work at CAL anyway" patch on it.

Was kicked back in my recliner this A.M. and surfed onto the History Channel.

"Mail Call" was on and Ol' R. Lee had a segement on the Golden Knights. One of them (of the Golden Knights team members) made a statement along the lines of "there's an old saying that if a time ever comes when you lose ALL of your skydiving fears, it's time to take up bowling".

I think that would apply to flying as well.

A lot of these "It could never happen to me" types might want to be fitted for some multi-colored shoes.

 

[EMB170Pilot]

All I know is that the last guy who came to my company from Gulfstream may well be the worst pilot we've ever had here. Nice guy, but can't fly his way out of a paper bag. His takeoffs and landings are scary.

Had several come in to work at a 135 company I was at and ALL of them couldn't fly worth sh!t. ALL ( 5 of them that wanted a job) couldn't hold altitude within private pilot standards.

Of course that is sterotyping. I'm sure their are some fine GIA pilots but they are not starting off well in my book.

 

[federico]

My experience has been that usually, the guys who are the first to criticize are the ones to get themselves in trouble - badly. Some pilots really don’t understand that arrogance is a weakness not a strength.

For what it's worth and to all you Gulfstream/Riddle/Mesa bashers who think these kinds of programs contribute to accidents, please understand this:

The FAA, NTSB, ALPA CAS Committee and most experienced pilots from the regionals to majors disagree with you.

And finally, if you are going to criticize someone for being incompetent, at least spell competence correctly. You bring shame on the industry and yourself.

Well said. i wonder if these retards think AA Cali Colombia crash or the Little rock crash, or even AA New York Crash in 2001 was the doing off Gulfstream. For all you xpress jet wannabe aviation judges there are bad pilots everywhere, the problem is the guys who have brainfarts and forget there own limitations. I flew with Capt Jesse Rhodes and he was by far one of the most considerate guys I have ever seen to his F/O and ground staff plus a natural in the airplane. He forgot his own limitations that day like many of us have at one point or another but he wasnt as lucky as us .

 

[federico]

Mr. EMB170 Know it all. Could you fly that wannabe A320 pretend jet single engine, raw data, bad weather to a full NDB procedure go missed and hold at the same NDB. The day you do that then judge who is a good pilot or not, having a scan at the time is part of being a good pilot. And do give the excuse that its not in your ops specs

 

[limpyoke]

Perhaps the problem is in Comair and Pinnacle's training program. I have don't know of any accident at Gulfstream.

 

[nerdpilot]

Did the Captain pay for his job at comair???

 

[The_Russian]

Had several come in to work at a 135 company I was at and ALL of them couldn't fly worth sh!t. ALL ( 5 of them that wanted a job) couldn't hold altitude within private pilot standards.

Thats because we keep all the good ones!

 

[federico]

Thats because we keep all the good ones!

3 point shot for the Russian. HIHIHIHIHIHI