GulfGuy

[Imissmypilot]

Fair enough. But I’m happy that at least he isn’t just walking in jackbooted lockstep with wookieboy.

Yes but just he careful. Controlled opposition can be just as damaging as what Frank is doing.

Sometime controlled opposition is just a target being successfully manipulated and other times its much more lockstep if you catch my drift.

I do think GGuy is more of the former kind but I hear we've had our share of latter. All you have to do is look at who was rewarded with what. I heard PW was a POC mole who told management every union plan and step. He got a Gulfstream. Hey maybe it's him. Who knows. If so, I don't think he can be trusted.

Or maybe it's the jackass who abused his relationships and spilled secrets to RH to get his easier schoolhouse gig. Supposedly a big union supporter but wouldn't even be vocal before the vote despite his best friend getting fired and his other best friend getting serially harassed and almost fired. I wouldn't trust him either.

Or maybe it's FW himself just trying to tee up nice retorts and opportunities.

Who knows.

I hope I'm wrong. I kinda think I am. I know I'm being too hard on him and he's perfectly fine but that keyboard warrior comment pissed me off.

 

[TexasChallenger]

If you go back and read Gulfguys posts, he did at one point mention that he was suspicious of their intentions. Here’s part of what he posted. “The more I involve myself with this and the more I see people defend this monstrosity of a management team, the more I realize the need of a union here. Whether it’s Teamsters, ALPA, or that silly uniform union that Handschuch suggested as a joke one time, we’ve gotta have something. Here’s what I think you guys are up to. If you’re successful in the decertification and you get your in house, you’ll eventually dissolve it and poof! No union at all. Am I right?”.

FW never responded to his question.

 

[airman2105]

PW and RP were pushed out of the POC. Mole suspects.

 

[TexasChallenger]

Gulfguy is still at it. Now he’s putting PD on the spot. Someone find out who this guy is and buy him a beer!

 

[Imissmypilot]

Gulfguy is still at it. Now he’s putting PD on the spot. Someone find out who this guy is and buy him a beer!

I have to say... at first I was suspicious since he seemed to be a little too deferential to Ole Frank. But perhaps he was just gaining his bearings. He is teeing them up and hitting home runs lately. I

I hope the majority can see the responses by Frank and Phil lack total transparency and even sense. I am seriously worried about how stupid Phil is. That's not even an insult. I am worried about what happens if he gets handed keys to our future.

For instance in his latest post he regurgitates some of Judge Qwins ruling and tries to make it something it is not. What that little nugget he regards as "breaking news" is the Judge simply stating it is not the company's place or cause to sue over SLI. It is the pilots. If a pilot (or group of pilots) feels he was not fairly and equally represented he can sue the union but the company cannot pursue his cause.

Which begs the question. If Frank and Phil et al truly felt the IBT has done (or failed to do) everything they claim why not sue the union? Seems to me that's a lot more advantageous than their current route. After all, they said they're willing to pony up money for inhouse representation. Why don't these decert guys put their money where their mouths are and lead now? Newsflash: if they won't do it "now" (especially in light of them knowing they have the right) what makes you think they'll do it "then" when the company screws us.

There's no right answer for them. Either they'll have to admit the union actually did do its job (and our issues and problems are actually company rooted) or they have already proven they lack the ability and mindset to lead.

I refuse to join the site but if I were on there, that's what I'd be asking. It certainly brings cowardly back into the mix GulfGuy (you were wrong to rescind it).

Seems awfully, awfully suspicious to me that they are trying tactics right out of the union busting handbook (misconstrued statements and history presented as facts)... it's almost as if Phil is getting advice but is just a little too dumb to follow it correctly. And Frank allowing Phil to serve as a mouthpiece for their efforts proves his inability to lead. When you have someone who does more harm than good to your cause you shut them down. You don't instead offer them status and platform. Leadership 101. Is there really a pilot put there who thinks this band of henchmen straight from farquaads boardroom has the goods to lead this group?

 

[Imissmypilot]

So I've been contacted by 2 different people regarding their inability to post respectful yet tough questions for the decert crew on the porn lounge over the past month, some of which have come about as a result of my posts here.

Why is Frank so afraid of honest discussion? He only appears interested in allowing posts he thinks he can respond back to and win.

Talk about dishonesty.

 

[TexasChallenger]

I have gotten notifications to threads that I’m subscribed to only to go read them and there would be nothing there. I guess your post explains that.

 

[TexasChallenger]

So now FW and MR want to collect your employment info to be allowed to post on their porn site. At first i didn’t think much of it until Gulfguy pointed out their true intentions. Not only are some posts being censored but now they want to shut down debate all together because they know that if your identity is known to someone, you’ll be less likely to trash management. This reeks of how they shut down Yammer when KW and AF we’re taking it to Handschuch and Weiss and it was about to be open to the Flight Options pilots, too. Want an open honest debate? Don’t go to FW’s site much longer.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Sounds like they are making a "list", but they cry about being placed on a "scab list". What hippocracy. If the Union goes away, the company will RIF 50 guys. If you were one of those 50, what would you think about these misguided sheep? How quickly they forgot about the 70 pilots that got RIF'd under Sheringa( but 2N was still on the board so he is not completely innocent). If you give management the ability to target the pilots they label as a "cancer", what makes you think they won't get rid of the IGM's because he thinks they are overpaid, or just wants to save money?

 

[1folinepilot]

The o screwlounge site is useless as FW just eliminates most of the posts. I even took PD up on his offer to talk and again another waste of about 20 minutes of him dodging my questions and not directly answering anything.