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now, i'm not the most experienced person to speek on this subject, as i'm still on active duty orders, getting ready to go to C-17 school. But I have a friend that flies KC-135s, who said that he made more bumming than he did on orders. I've been told by people in my unit that you can make 40-45 a year just bumming, if you make yourself available to scheduling all the time. I'm hoping that's the truth, because i don't have enough time for fedex, and skywest is starting to look a lot more inviting.
 
I totally understand but most heavy units let you fly as much as you want. Can you fly 12 times a month in a fighter unit? Fighter bumming is almost impossible unless you live in your car.

What is your goal? Are you already a military pilot?
 
now, i'm not the most experienced person to speek on this subject, as i'm still on active duty orders, getting ready to go to C-17 school. But I have a friend that flies KC-135s, who said that he made more bumming than he did on orders. I've been told by people in my unit that you can make 40-45 a year just bumming, if you make yourself available to scheduling all the time. I'm hoping that's the truth, because i don't have enough time for fedex, and skywest is starting to look a lot more inviting.

I would bet that is true. Apply to SkyWest anyway and then use Military Leave to fly with the Reserves. Talk to the pilots in your unit.
 
There is NO way you can make more money by "bumming" than on orders. Plus, like Scrapdog said, you won't have medical or dental.

It might be possible in a fiscal quarter to strategically take some orders and also utilize your pay days and surpass an active duty paycheck, but you will be going into the squadron nearly every day of the quarter and working your butt off.

Here's a quick breakdown of ways a reservist in a heavy unit can get paid. (as far as I've been able to find out)

TP's: Training periods. (called Teeps) You'll get 16 per quarter (three month period for you non math wizards). Each TP is good for four hours of work. Eight can be used for ground training (pubs check, CBT's) and the other eight have to be used for flying. They're worth about 180 each before taxes and other deductions to a new Captain. You can do two teeps in one day.

UTA's: Again, 16 per quarter. Can be used for ground or flying and are good for four hours of work. Max of two per day, and pay the same as a TP.

Annual Tour: Two weeks of "orders" per year. One day of annual tour is 1/30th of the monthly salary of an active duty paycheck. It's not exactly 1/30th of the pay because you'll get BAH type II. A "rip off" lower BAH rate since you are on orders for less than thirty days.

MPA Orders: These are like annual tour days, and are paid at 1/30th of the monthly salary per day. Again, if you're orders are cut for less than 30 days you'll get BAH type II and your pay will be less than what an active duty person would get for the same amount of work. MPA orders are subject to availabilty (i.e. if the Air Force needs a mission they'll subcontract the flying out to a Reserve unit and pay you in MPA orders.) I'm not familiar with how available these orders are in a non C17 unit, but they are pretty much unlimited here if you fly a "stage input" i.e., a mission supporting the GWOT. You only qualify for medical for your dependents if your orders surpass 30 days.

"Long Term Orders": You can go "Active duty" in a Reserve unit either voluntarily or involuntarily. Currently in our C17 world these orders are available in 3, 6, and 12 month increments for volunteers. The paycheck is exactly like the paycheck of a person on Active Duty. In a C17 Reserve unit currently you are expected to fly, as a minimum, one ten day trip per month while on long term orders.

By far, the most money you can make is by being on orders. You will most likely get what we call a cha-ching, or tax free/hostile fire pay each month if you enter Iraqi or Afghani airspace. It can be worth about 5-6 hundred for a 1LT or Capt. In addition to that, you can expect about 8-9 hundred per month in per diem from your "stage trip".


To maximize yearly pay, I try to go on three month orders in alternating increments so I can burn all my TP's and UTA's between time on orders. It's hard to say if I would make as much per number of days worked as if I was on 12 month orders when you factor in TF/HFP and perdiem.
 
Don't you get hostile fire pay either way as long as you Iraqi or Afghani airspace? And how hard is it to on orders and isn't it easy to pick up extra trips if your not? Lastly how much can a guard/reserve bum make if there flexible?
 
Don't you get hostile fire pay either way as long as you Iraqi or Afghani airspace? And how hard is it to on orders and isn't it easy to pick up extra trips if your not? Lastly how much can a guard/reserve bum make if there flexible?

Dude - you are too funny! Psysicx, you seem like a good kid but I think your glasses have fogged up reading this post. I'll re-iterate for ya...a part time schedule is designed for a part timer!! You need to have another job to make ends meet in the long run, trust me!! And on top of that, most units won't even consider hiring you in the first place unless you've got a long term plan or a specific primary job so you can feed your family in the first place!

Do you want to live out of your car for god's sakes? Come on brutha - see the light here...
 
Some icing on the long-term orders cake

"Long Term Orders": You can go "Active duty" in a Reserve unit either voluntarily or involuntarily. Currently in our C17 world these orders are available in 3, 6, and 12 month increments for volunteers. The paycheck is exactly like the paycheck of a person on Active Duty.

By far, the most money you can make is by being on orders. You will most likely get what we call a cha-ching, or tax free/hostile fire pay each month if you enter Iraqi or Afghani airspace. It can be worth about 5-6 hundred for a 1LT or Capt. In addition to that, you can expect about 8-9 hundred per month in per diem from your "stage trip".

Each situation is different, and worth researching carefully. You also have to use a very accurate Magic 8 ball to determine what the future is going to hold for the unit that hires you - how long are orders going to be available? Who is in line to get them should they be reduced or dry up?

Regarding the post above - 8-9 hundred/mo might be a good ballpark estimate, but it depends a lot on where you are spending that month. Will it be Al Udeid, Manas (both just a few dollars a day excepting the first) or Ramstein (close to a c-note/day)? Find out where the units you are interested in are spending their deployments.

Also worth noting, if you make your home of residence more than one hour away from your unit and don't drive back and forth too much (called putting yourself in 'commute' status) you can get mileage and tolls to and from your house, per diem while you are at work _at your home unit_, and housing based on your zip where you live, not the unit. You can also get reibursed for your hotel stays while at work. We've got some guys who have been at hotels for 3 years! They don't get paid the mileage back and forth, but have mega hotel points. I choose to maximize my time at home and don't play that card. IMHO, it seems a little to close to fleecing... If you are going to be a UPT input like the initial poster, you will probably want to live close to the unit because you will be on a prog tour for a while after upt, but your mileage may vary.

Many many variables to consider. I would cast a wide net, make your package look as professional as possible and do what you can to get to know people in the unit. Just because they are willing to hire you, doesn't mean you'll be happy there. I would also have a backup plan/job. Advice I still haven't taken...

For disclosure purposes, I'm on orders at a non-deploying heavy unit.
 
I'll speak up from a reserve tanker clown perspective. You can easily a make a living, atleast in my unit as a bum (trougher). We have trips constantly that the ARTS dont want, we augment AD crew to the desert, and a local flight schedule that is always in need of seat meat. The health insurance gig is that if you go to the desert (which you could volunteer for continually if you wanted) you get like 6 months of tri-care when you get home. I think you have to go for like 60 or 90 to get it? I dont know I am a traditional, but several of my friends clear 50-60k a year troughing. I only rec. it if your single. just my .02
 
Enlist in the ANG/Reserve unit closest to you...or one that flies fighters. When it comes time to select a UPT candidate, if you are a current member of the unit and have shown an active interest in flying, you'll have a leg up on the other candidates.

(My hunch is that your 1000 hours in a Lear will weigh equally with the guy who saved all his tip money and scratched enough lessons together for his private pilot. You both have demonstrated an interest in aviation.)

Also, the college degree is (or at least "was") waiverable, but not likely.

Good Luck.

If it works out - it's a great plan. If it doesn't - you're an enlisted dude in a Reserve unit (probably deployable too).

I was presented with this conundrum once upon a time. I had a sponsor pilot in the unit who assured me that if I enlisted I would have no problem getting a UPT slot.

I elected not to go that route and got hired at another Reserve unit. I'm not saying I was right or wrong, but I never had to go to basic or any tech schools and I ended up in the same place.

PIPE
 
If one was to apply/get hired by SKYW/Horizon following UPT, how long would someone have to fly a line or sit reserve before you drop a years worth of mil leave. Won't the hiring company be skeptical of hiring a new mil pilot knowing that they'll fly thier mil gig until they qualify for upgrade at SKYW/Horizon?
 
By the letter of the law I think you could do it one minute after getting hired, especially for an involuntary activation (OIF, OEF). Having said that, I can't imagine not at least getting through IOE with the company first, getting a few hundred hours under your belt second, and lastly getting off probation. After a year with the company, I can't imagine they would even look twice.

All three are technique only, though.
 
"If one was to apply/get hired by SKYW/Horizon following UPT, how long would someone have to fly a line or sit reserve before you drop a years worth of mil leave. Won't the hiring company be skeptical of hiring a new mil pilot knowing that they'll fly thier mil gig until they qualify for upgrade at SKYW/Horizon?"

That seems to be somewhat situational, it might work if done prior to leaving for UPT, but if you're referring to the MQT period once you get back to the unit from FTU, not all units have a guaranteed year of MQT active orders for new guys to fly. I was informally offered a bleak outlook on MQT period (as bad as less than 30 days), whereas a buddy of mine knows for sure (so he says) they have a year's worth of active orders for seasoning (C-5), the other has 270 days (-16s). So mileage varies. I guess it wouldn't be too bad of a plan, although I would venture to say that one is probably in better shape to clear more money troughing the first year than juggling a regional job (ASSUMING NOT COMMUTING, the unit will probably frown on that being so junior) while still junior at the unit. Who knows...
 

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