Ground CFI Ticket

[stlpilot]

Can anyone give me the quick rundown of what you need to do for this ground insructor ticket. dont have my FAR's here with me and Iv been asked to teach a civilian class at a local aeroclub, guess they forgot Iv not used the old CFI in 3 years.

Anyway if I remember right the only advantage of the ticket is that if the folks you sign off fail the written it wont count against your pass/fail record? Is this the only advantage of this certification? Thanks

 

[huncowboy]

You only need to take the computer test.

61.213 Eligibility requirements.

 

[pilotman2105]

What if you hold a current CFI ticket? I just got my CFI and am thinking about getting an AGI (simply for the fact that it's more letters to add after my name and I don't think that it would be that difficult to get). What test do I have to take? Same aeronautical knowledge test as the CFI? I believe I'm exempt from the FOI.

Also, what about an IGI? Same thing as far as being exempt from the FOI test, but is it just the instrument written again?

The regs are somewhat unclear there.

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

What if you hold a current CFI ticket? I just got my CFI and am thinking about getting an AGI (simply for the fact that it's more letters to add after my name and I don't think that it would be that difficult to get). What test do I have to take? Same aeronautical knowledge test as the CFI? I believe I'm exempt from the FOI.

The AGI written is the same test as the FIA except they add a few questions from another bank into the test. It's in the back of the Gliem. As far as getting the certificate, since you’ve already gotten the CFI just fill out an 8710 and you’ll be set.

I'm not sure about the IGI.

Fly safe,
TA

 

[pilotman2105]

The AGI written is the same test as the FIA except they add a few questions from another bank into the test. It's in the back of the Gliem. As far as getting the certificate, since you’ve already gotten the CFI just fill out an 8710 and you’ll be set.

I'm not sure about the IGI.

Fly safe,
TA

Turn it the completed test(s) to FSDO?

 

[huncowboy]

I was told that the IGI is the same test as the Instrument Computer test. Too bad that no one told me this when I was getting my instrument rating. Now I have to study it again if I want to have a decent score. Some info you just have to pull out from your instructors.

 

[dmspilot00]

Turn it the completed test(s) to FSDO?

Yes, with a completed 8710.

The IGI test has pretty much the same questions on it as the instrument rating test, but it isn't the "same" test, i.e. you cannot use an instrument rating test result for your IGI Just ask the testing center for an instrument ground instructor test.

It used to be that an IGI + BGI = AGI, but that is no longer the case.

 

[BritishGuy]

Quick question......somebody told me that if you have an AGI, you don't need an IGI now....(under some 'new' rules). I don't know about this. I'm going to be taking my AGI in the next few days, and just want to know if I take it, do I need to take my IGI too, y'know, to have 'the set' of ground instructor exams?? Or is it that if I have the AGI, then thats ALL the ground instructor exams right there?? Someone please clarify this for me. Thanks.

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

Quick question......somebody told me that if you have an AGI, you don't need an IGI now....(under some 'new' rules). I don't know about this. I'm going to be taking my AGI in the next few days, and just want to know if I take it, do I need to take my IGI too, y'know, to have 'the set' of ground instructor exams?? Or is it that if I have the AGI, then thats ALL the ground instructor exams right there?? Someone please clarify this for me. Thanks.

I'm not sure I understand your question. My assumption is that you're a CFI certificate holder; so the following is what you need to get the ground instructor certificate. First, taking one test in no way covers all certificates. The BGI and AGI is generally the same test, but more questions from the Ground instructor bank are used in the AGI. Each Ground Instructor rating requires that you take the specific written test for that rating, then fill out an 8710 and go get the temporary.

This is all that needs to be done assuming you’re a CFI certificate holder. You don't need the AGI or IGI unless you want added credentials; although if you're wanting the *Gold Seal* you need either the AGI or IGI.

Hope this helps,

Fly safe,
TA

 

[BritishGuy]

Ok, I'm a CFI, and want it for the credentials I guess...... But do I need to do both IGI and AGI or if I do the AGI, the IGI is something that's not really needed. I don't know if I'm making sense but I hope someone gets me.

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

Ok, I'm a CFI, and want it for the credentials I guess...... But do I need to do both IGI and AGI or if I do the AGI, the IGI is something that's not really needed. I don't know if I'm making sense but I hope someone gets me.

Well that's the thing, none of the ground instructor certificates are "needed" it just adds to your credentials. If you want as many as possible take all tests, if you just want one to make your resume look better with one I'd go IGI.

 

[dmspilot00]

Quick question......somebody told me that if you have an AGI, you don't need an IGI now

I thought I already answered this question before you asked it. Having an AGI does NOT make you automatically an instrument ground instructor as well. Of course, you don't "need" any of them since you're a CFI. But, you cannot sign off somebody to take an instrument rating knowledge test using an AGI certificate. You would need an IGI or CFII.

 

[dasmith]

the IGI is indeed very similar to the instrument airplane test, when i got my instrument rating, i did three tests, and got the same score on all three
1 instrument, airplane
2 igi
3 cfii
The IGI allows you to instruct in sims and signoff for the instrument airplane written.

I held on to the cfii for a little while, but when straight to the fsdo to get my igi added to my agi. The agi was very similar to the cfi test, so i took both again at the same time and just held onto the cfi test results. Again taking my AGI results with an FOI results down to the fsdo resulted in a temp airmen´s cert.

Incidentally, none of these are required for teaching a ground school. There´s a guy in tampa at the Univ So Fla campus with a private pilot teaching the ground school.

 

[avbug]

Anyway if I remember right the only advantage of the ticket is that if the folks you sign off fail the written it wont count against your pass/fail record?

WRONG!

somebody told me that if you have an AGI, you don't need an IGI now....(under some 'new' rules).

Somebody told you incorrectly. Under the "old rules," obtaining an Advanced rating would result in receiving a "basic" rating on the ground instructor certificate as well. That has been discontinued. It's rather pointless, as an Advanced rating provides all the privileges of the Basic, just as a commercial pilot holds all the privileges of a private pilot, automatically.

The Instrument rating on the ground instructor certificate is another matter. It only entitles you to endorse an applicant for the instrument knowledge ("written") exam.

For anything else, you need the Advanced rating.

Note that these are all ratings on one certificate. The Ground Instructor certificate is an entirely independent certificate from any other. Upon that certificate, one may receive ratings, which are Basic, Advanced, and Instrument.

 

[Flyin Tony]

What about me

When I took the Insturment written, I took all the Insturment ones also ie. FOI (i think thats the one for the CFII) and the IGI. I have the IGI test results sitting right here. So what do I do with it. Can I teach IFR Ground school at my FBO? Or whats it good for. I just took them all because all the test were kinda the same and I pass them all the first time. Do I take my IGI results to the FSDO. So what will the FSDO give me? Thanks for all your help guys

 

[bobbysamd]

AGI-IGI certification

It is not a "ground CFI" certificate. It is a Ground Instructor certificate.

CFIs only need to take the writtens, complete an 8710 and take it and their written test reports to FSDO. You will leave with a fresh Temporary. Your CFI is evidence that you have taken the FOI written.

Hope that helps. Good luck with the writtens.

 

[bobbysamd]

When I took the Insturment written, I took all the Insturment ones also ie. FOI (i think thats the one for the CFII) and the IGI. I have the IGI test results sitting right here. So what do I do with it. Can I teach IFR Ground school at my FBO? Or whats it good for. I just took them all because all the test were kinda the same and I pass them all the first time. Do I take my IGI results to the FSDO. So what will the FSDO give me? Thanks for all your help guys

You must pass the Fundamentals of Instructing (FOI) written exam to receive any kind of instructor certificate. Take your IGI and FOI reports to FSDO with an 8710 and you will be issued a Ground Instructor certificate with an Instrument rating.

When was it changed that BGI + IGI no longer results in an AGI-IGI certifcate?

 

[bobbysamd]

Ground instructor privileges

Incidentally, none of these are required for teaching a ground school. There´s a guy in tampa at the Univ So Fla campus with a private pilot teaching the ground school.

But he cannot sign off anyone to take the written.

 

[avbug]

When was it changed that BGI + IGI no longer results in an AGI-IGI certifcate?

I'd have to look it up, but I believe early 90's. It's been quite a while.

 

[bobbysamd]

Ground instructor certificate advantages

Anyway if I remember right the only advantage of the ticket is that if the folks you sign off fail the written it wont count against your pass/fail record? Is this the only advantage of this certification?

One advantage is that a ground instructor certificate does not expire, though 14 CFR 61.217 requires a ground instructor to be current. That is a change from several years ago.

In my case, I could get a signoff and then resume teaching ground school and sim, which could be a way for me to become active in aviation again. So, the fact that ground instructor certificates do not expire can be valuable for many people.

Of course, a ground instructor certificate is just one more credential to put on your resume.