Grob spn coming to Alpha in 2008

[Geronimo4497]

What does a guy in the right seat of a Pilatus do?

Flies the airplane and operates in a CRM environment, just like any other 91K company.

 

[av8orboy]

What does a guy in the right seat of a Pilatus do?

Not a 7/7.

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Not a 7/7.

What's the sched? Is it a 6/4?

Mr. I.

 

[ArthurQ]

Schedules are currently 6/4. 7/7 looks to be a future goal or so it has been communicated. It looks like the major reason, again as it has been communicated, is due to the staffing level. Hopefully with the jet prospect on the horizon attrition will decrease and more applicants will emerge.

Answer on the jet pay. It hasn't officially been released, but rumors say it will be at least 20% lower than current competitiors pay, 30+% if they get their TA approved. These rates are on comparative aircraft of course. (Beechjet-Hawker 400, CJ3).

 

[johnsonrod]

Schedules are currently 6/4. 7/7 looks to be a future goal or so it has been communicated. It looks like the major reason, again as it has been communicated, is due to the staffing level. Hopefully with the jet prospect on the horizon attrition will decrease and more applicants will emerge.

Answer on the jet pay. It hasn't officially been released, but rumors say it will be at least 20% lower than current competitiors pay, 30+% if they get their TA approved. These rates are on comparative aircraft of course. (Beechjet-Hawker 400, CJ3).

Good luck trying to find experienced pilots out of the MHT/BOS and PDK domiciles for that pay when CS, Avantair and NJA (if the new TA passes) have domiciles in the same location... Low time pilots will be the only applicants and you want to keep some experienced pilots in the PC12s as the Grob fleet grows.

Sure, that Grob jet looks real cool and fun to fly, but I, and most sane people, would rather be paid much better to fly comparable or better aircraft for the other fractionals. Ideally, I would expect wages at least comparable to 400XP, CJ3 and P180 wages (not Falcon 2000 or Sovereign wages) to keep people in seat... Otherwise, attrition will always be a concern.

 

[ArthurQ]

In response, I'll refer back to my original post #10

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

I spoke with someone recently about applying at Alpha and their thought was that they would be a jet captain elsewhere before they would even touch the jet at Alpha. That was from a pilot already there!!

I'd think Captains on that jet are probably going to need 1000 multi and maybe 500 jet to qualify. Just a guess based on what Netjets and the rest of the fracs/charters require. Would street hiring be necessary if that were the issue? If so, maybe their pay would have to come up in order to compete...? Might solve the attrition issue right there. Don't those costs ultimately get passed onto clients?

Any idea what the career track would be? Maybe Pilatus FO, Grob FO, Pilatus Captain and then Grob Captain?

Mr. I.

 

[Geronimo4497]

I spoke with someone recently about applying at Alpha and their thought was that they would be a jet captain elsewhere before they would even touch the jet at Alpha. That was from a pilot already there!!

Sounds about right.

They claim no street captains on the Grob will be needed; all upgrades from within. Upgrade path is supposedly PC-12 FO to PC-12 captain then Grob FO to Grob captain.

Currently the FO to captain position in the PC-12 goes by year in seat vs. year with company. The Grob upgrade path is supposed to go by year since PC-12 upgrade. This means a transitioning 3rd year PC-12 captain to Grob FO would be at 4th year Grob FO pay (around 60K), IIRC.

 

[Hugh Gass]

So are you saying 5 years with PlaneSense. 1 year PC-12 FO, upgrade to PC-12 CAPT for year 2 & 3, Grob FO year 4 at 60k, maybe Grob capt year 5..........salary would be? Competitors current salary structure which I anticipate to change if Netjets TA is approved.

Avantair P180 somewhat comparable airplane, but still a turboprop 5 year Capt.....$72k 7/7 schedule
Citationshares CJ3 very comparable aircraft, 5 year Capt.....$91k 7/7 schedule
Flexjet Lear 45 higher end jet??? Maybe, 5 year Capt.....$87,776 7/5 schedule
FlightOptions Hawker 400XP Salary Same class Aircraft 5 year Capt.....$66372 7/7 schedule
NetJets Hawker 400XP 5 year Capt.....currently $90k
PlaneSense 6/4 schedule......5 year Capt.....?

I would hope it would be somewhere close to 80+K for them to be competitive in the workforce marketplace especially with a 6/4 schedule. Otherwise they will be pulling from the weakest of the ranks. Any idea when the numbers will be announced?