Great News!! Flight Options Has Been Bought!!!!!

[B19 Flyer]

The vast majority of frac pilots are unionized--for good reason. Many pilots coming into the industry choose NJA because of 1108. Last year the pilots of Flt Ops voted in the union and other frac pilots are watching closely to see how their contract battle turns out. It must be noted that posters like you take a sudden interest during negotiations. The ebb and flow of anti-union rhetoric shows how threatened management is feeling. This tells me that the Options pilots are doing a great job! When the fighting gets intense you're making progress!
Hang in there!
Netjetwife

ROFL :laugh:

 

[netjetwife]

In a discussion of applying to a frac company, earlier today PilotPat posted on another thread -- "well, NJA is the only one I'd even consider going to." My posts are based on facts --not FUD.

I see by your articulate post... that you're again having a hard time arguing with reality, B19. The NJ board members can point to their recent history to back up every thing they say. Contract battles follow a predictable pattern, and many of us posting here remember this phase well. We've all heard that expression about laughing all the way to the bank. Well, we won't be doing it literally, but my husband and I just had a discussion about our family finances and there's lots to smile about. I should think that many other NJ couples are likewise pleased with the rate of return on their union dues.

Special request from my 11 yr old son: Please vote for the proposal because he is claiming that he and his sister deserve a new game system (current one is very outdated) as their bonus for the family time with their dad that was given up for IBB. Even kids recognize the value in being able to negotiate one's salary/allowance... I asked Morgan if he thinks the pilots should vote for the proposal and his answer was " Yes! It's a very good contract; they get a signing bonus, a whole bunch of money, and I get an X Box 360!" (I'm proud that my son has his priorities in order). The kids are also excited about the new vehicle they want us to get.

I am happy for all the NJ families that are also making plans to give themselves some well-earned rewards for working hard and supporting their Union.
Best Regards,
Netjetwife

 

[FRLWD]

BTW, when was the last time there was an opportunity to cross a picket line?

Probably the last time you did, scab.

 

[FRLWD]

Not all airlines/carriers are perfect, so do your research. There are some pretty good ones out there without unions.

Name them.

 

[netjetwife]

...You should update your aircraft flown list as none of them show that you have flown for a major as you have implied. On the other hand, if you are a washed up mid level manager from a major, it all makes perfect sense.....

I agree with your assessment, WS. I have also made an effort to understand where B19 is coming from. In exchanging information/opinions with him, I answered every question he asked me. Notice that he didn't reciprocate? (telling behavior) So, I'll make it easy for him to provide the background that will help explain the reasoning behind his posts. I am reposting the questions I previously asked. B19, you have the floor.

B19: Furthermore, I spent just enough time at a fractional to clearly understand the challenges and financial stucture. When was that? Are you suggesting the 3000 plus members of 1108 do not?

B19: I also lost a job at a major carrier at the same time your husband lost his. What was the job?

.. your husband and I were both forced into career changes neither of us planned on. True, but our story had a happy ending. Did yours?

I chose the non union carrier that operates big airplanes. Who? What do you do there? What do they pay their pilots?

I have secured my future by ensuring that no union will EVER screw me over again. And will you also admit that you are making a prejudiced statement against 1108--the Union in this industry--who has a great record of standing up for its members AND working well with management?

WS, I'd like to add to your analysis, if I may? ...a (bitter) washed up mid level manager from a major, (who has a huge chip on his shoulder and irrationally blames unions for the disappointments in his career). Fischman gets credit for the "irrational" observation which, admittedly, may have been a bit exaggerated... I think our educated guesses match the tenor of B19's posts. Or we can go with Hobbes and his FUD and Harrison theory...

 

[fischman]

The vast majority of frac pilots are unionized--for good reason. Many pilots coming into the industry choose NJA because of 1108. Last year the pilots of Flt Ops voted in the union and other frac pilots are watching closely to see how their contract battle turns out. It must be noted that posters like you take a sudden interest during negotiations. The ebb and flow of anti-union rhetoric shows how threatened management is feeling. This tells me that the Options pilots are doing a great job! When the fighting gets intense you're making progress!
Hang in there!
Netjetwife

ROFL :laugh:

She's right.

If you had ANY grip on reality you would see that.

 

[skyismyoffice]

When you see a carrier without a union, ask why it hasn't happened. It's probably going to be pretty well run, and that's the best spot to bet your career.

Yup that was my theory when I came to FLOPs. But believe it or not, during one of the most prosperous times in GA history this 'well run' non-union company began slashing away everything good about the company. I soon came to see the light that without a contract management could (and would) keep taking away from my quality of life in the name of 'profitability'. This led to my conclusion that if I am going to work for a large air carrier, the pilot force MUST be organized to protect themselves.

Bob, I am afraid we will always disagree.

 

[chingaso]

I call

B19, its time to put up or shut up.

What "major" carrier were you furloughed from due to ALPA?

What airline do you work for now? How much do you make?

Why do you concern yourself so greatly with Flight Options/Net Jets?

ALPA screwed you over? Time to man-up and get over it...you say you have a better life now, and a more stable career, so move on for heaven sake. Stop looking over your shoulder, whats past is passe. You gonna warn us off blondes because your first girlfriend dumped you for a college guy? Get a grip over your past or get some help.

Its hard to believe that you have international experience in a Beech 1900. You've said a lot, and in order for your comments to be taken with the slightest bit of seriousness, you're going to have to prove your credibility (without compromising your privacy, naturally).

I think you're a CFI. Or someone that was passed over by Netjets with a bone to pick.

BTW, my best friend was furloughed from AA less than a month after 9/11. The union had nothing to do with it. You contradict yourself: You say that the management at AA were considered heros for increasing profits, yet in another post you state that the "downturn" came long before 9/11. Which is it? Downturn or profit? You can't pick and choose to re-create history just to augment your argument.

If a pilot group wants a union, let them have a union. Why should any of this matter to you? Go to the airline forums. We like flying our small jets. Keep on allegedly flying that big iron and live and let live.

(Dang, that other guy was right. I took the bait. If B19 can't answer these questions and all the ones posed by NJW, we should ignore him, since he's obviously a poser.)

 

[netjetwife]

Good post, Chingaso! You nailed it, and this line was classic.... You gonna warn us off blondes because your first girlfriend dumped you for a college guy? I burst out laughing...and I'm a blonde, no less... Please don't worry about "taking the bait". I'm glad you posted. NJW

 

[SilverSurfer]

Union Buster

"Bob"/B19 does not have the experience that he would like those of us that have opposed his dribble to think. He offers no substantiation of his industry experience, he says he worked at a fractional, which one would that have been?, he talks about all the international operations experience he's had, I don't see it, he whines about the wrong that has been done to him by Unions, where? what carrier? when? He brags about the non Union carrier he's at now but refuses to name what this great carrier is. What Carrier is that "Bob"? Belly up to the bar "Bob" and put some meat on those anti Union bones.

I think it much more probable that "Bob"/B19 is nothing but some Union busting hack maybe even in the employ of the ass wipes at Ford & Harrison with the mission to diminish and discredit the work our Union is doing. As Gerry G said in another thread, its very curious that "Bob"/B19 shows up on this board right after we have a successful vote for representation and his interest is focused on Flight Options. :erm: