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Just survived the latest Lakes newhire class. Just some statistics for the record. Lowest time guy was around 500 and 17 multi, the high-timer was around 2500. Most had at or near 1000 with between 50 and 100 multi. Every class member was a current or former CFI. We started with 21 pilots, 2 simply left groundschool, 2 more washed out in the sim, but not everybody is done yet, so that could change. Coming from a quiet Part 61 environment the sheer quality of my classmates surprised me. To the last, all were impressively sharp, intelligent, smart. Through groundschool all studied as though possesed, averaging 5-6 hours per night.

Regarding future classes, there may be a class drawn from the pool, maybe January (perhaps pushed forward to February or farther) but that decision is dependent on attrition. Upgrade is more or less when you have the age, the time, and the inclination.

Everybody who has said "know how to fly instruments" really isn't kidding. All that instrument minutae becomes relevant in a hurry. The ASA ATP Oral Exam Guide was a good place to start for that stuff. Everybody also says that the Sim will kick your arse, and it will - but if you keep your head on straight and don't let it get to you, you'll survive. Essentially you just shoot approaches all day while things are perpetually going wrong. You know the engine is going to fail at V1, you know you'll have to shoot the NDB, you know you'll have to fly the full procedure, so just expect it and plan for it instead of dreading it. Know hold entries well enough so that you can figure one out in the dark, holding a flashlight, with your instructor barking at you, using nothing but an RMI, in less than 6 seconds. It's not academic, because a quarter of your simulator time will be in a hold running checklists. Speaking of which, figure out how to enter holds, intercept, track bearings, and shoot approaches using nothing but an RMI before you get there, Flight Sim '02 works fine. The King Air 350 in FS2002 does help in getting accustomed to the sky-pointer style ADI - it's kinda weird for steep turns, but some people didn't notice the difference. The process was undoubtedly the most difficult thing I've ever done in my short life. Many hours of angst, but many moments of hilarity. A rewarding, entertaining experience.
 
My 2 cents worth. If you are goint to GLA for a great lifestyle leave while you can. If you are going for a place to improve your career and yourself as a pilot then that is the place. As far as intimidation, yes you will be intimidated if you can't fly. As far as treating you like crap? You mean they make you fly? Isn't that what you signed up to do?

In less than 3 years I was able to come away with the B1900 and EMB-120 type. Not to mention over 2500 hours of turbine with 1900 being PIC. There are very few 121 airlines that can give you that.

If you are based in DEN you will fly into some of the coolest airports in the US. Also dealing with performance issues that most pilots never think about.

In closing I will say that if you pass through GLA training as a new hire you can make it through any groundschool. Lakers are known and respected in the aviation community. But do not let up on studying............upgrade will be there before you know it.
 
Cardinal, Flyhard,,

Thanks for the scoop, that really helps!!!
 
I went through Lakes training in the 1900 about 3.5 years ago, and I will say it was extremely rough. The failure rate for new hire classes back then was about 50%. Out of our class of 30, only 15 made it online, which was typical.

I spent 6 months online, flew 500 hours, and then quit for SkyWest. If it's your only choice, take it, but don't expect to have alot of fun.
 
DEN, far and away the largest.
MSP, now ridculously senior with the closure of Chicago
CYS, Cheyenne, WY (Small)
PGA, Page, Arizona, (Even Smaller)
 
Cardinal said:
holding a flashlight, with your instructor barking at you, using nothing but an RMI, in less than 6 seconds.
Dieterly said:
Sounds like a really professional place!!!

Well, in the case of a dual gen failure it gets dark and shortly thereafter the EFIS Auxillary Power dies. In the midst of which my sim partner and I were screwing up by the numbers, thus the stern talking to. At this juncture I personally didn't want to be sketching out radials and courses on a notepad wracking my brain trying to figure out which way to turn after station passage. Thus my comment. Surely the whole point of a simulator is to expose one to situations (including stress levels) not normally anticipated in line flying.
 
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as one of the previous posts mentioned, kiss your quality of life good by soon as you start ground school. It gets better when your seniority number keeps on going up, which it does fast at lakes. But then you upgrade, and then your quality of life will go to sh@t again. Somebody previously said you get fired after failing upgrade, thats incorrect. After your 3rd attempt to upgrade, then you are liable to get canned.

Peace!
 
I was hired in '99 and trained by intimidation. I lived with my in-laws for 19 months because I was an FO for 18 months and didn't make enough money. I left this year and went to another regional where I started over in the right seat. I have more experience in the right seat than some of the left seaters I fly with. I have no regrets flying for GLA as should no one else. Keep flying and looking out for the betterment of your career.
 

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