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wooferdog

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Gawd, it is true! Un F'in Real!



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Get carried away to DIA
Great Lakes, Greyhound link up to offer new travel opportunity

By Jessica Lowell
[email protected]
Published in the Wyoming Tribune-Eagle

CHEYENNE - Starting the middle of next month, Great Lakes Aviation will offer transportation to Denver International Airport in a different way.

The Cheyenne-based regional airline will run Greyhound buses to and from the secured areas of the airport operations at Cheyenne and at DIA.

"What this means is that people can check their luggage in the airport in Cheyenne and be cleared for security here and be let off at the gate at DIA into a secured area," said Dave Thomas, Great Lakes marketing and planning vice president.

This project has been in the works since the start of the year, requiring negotiations between Great Lakes and Greyhound, the U.S. Department of Transportation, the Transportation Security Administration and the airport managers.

"This is the first time people have tried to get buses on the operating area of an airport since the era of security began," Thomas said. "(Security officials) are very sensitive about those issues, and we have had to come up with some innovative ideas to make it work."

Service starts from Cheyenne on Nov. 12 and from Laramie and Fort Collins, Colo., on Nov. 17. Schedules are expected to be available today.

The one-way cost from Cheyenne will be $39 plus taxes and fees.

Thomas said Great Lakes plans two bus trips a day from Cheyenne to augment the five scheduled departures and arrivals by plane.

"There are a couple of gaps in service, and this will help with that," he said.

The airline will add two bus round trips from Laramie to complement the three flights it has scheduled. In Fort Collins, which has only regularly scheduled air service with Las Vegas by a different airline, Great Lakes will operate four round trips.

Thomas said airline officials still are negotiating with its codeshare partners, United Airlines and Frontier Airlines, to have the buses included in the arrangements that will give passengers frequent-flyer miles for the ground leg of the trip.

Airline officials say they will be able to move more people on the 50-seat buses.

"What we hear is that it's less expensive to drive than it is to fly," Thomas said. "In Cheyenne, we are competing against the highway."

What's more, he said, it's less expensive to operate a bus than it is to fly a plane.

Statistics show that many area residents prefer to make the 90-minute drive to DIA rather than pay for a relatively short plane trip.

The buses that will be used are new and are equipped with tray tables, reading lights and window shades, with power outlets for both cell phones and laptop computers.

By using buses, he said, the airline can offer fares that are competitive with driving rather than competitive with flying.

"It's an interesting opportunity," he said. "And this utilizes the facilities here in Cheyenne to a greater extent."

More information is available about fares and schedules through travel agents and through the airline, which can be reached at (800) 554-5111.
 
If this is true the funny thing is the bus driver probably makes more than the captains here at lakes.

I wonder if I can jumpseat on Greyhound now, that would be sweet!
 
What A Nightmare!

You know what kind of a nightmare screening 50 people for the bus on top of the 19 people for the airplane in LAR is going to be. The TSA in Laramie can't screen 5 people in time for an on time departure, imagine how late we'll be with 69 people trying to get through security. I'm sure Todd is just thrilled about the arrival of bus service to LAR.

You know, I think that GLA has sent 3 BE-1900Ds to the boneyard in Arizona in the last few months and no word has been given on if those airplanes are going to be replaced or not. Perhaps we're starting to see a "fleet change" from BE-1900 to BUS. Chuck always said that he wanted to expand into the 50 seat market.
 
318 is too big

for GLA, even the 318 had too many seats for their routes, "they won't get no stinkin buses" OH wrong kind of buses.
 
I'm no longer at "Greyhound" but......

I can say that if security at the airport causes a delay, we were never rushed to make it on time. We went by the saying, "If late, STAY late."
Those runs will probably pay between $120-$150 per day for the driver.
Greyhound has a commuter run between SFO and SAC. Those would pay $120 per day at least. Working 5 on 2 off. Leave at 5:00 am, be back by 5:00 pm. This is where I base my assumption of what those runs will pay. No less than $100 per day for sure.
 
When Fort Lenord Wood (TBN) closed
Corpex ran Dodge vans back and forth
from STL. Should have heard people
kick and scream about riding a van
instead of a Jetstream!!! That was
funny!!!

Those vans saved us from shooting
Lord knows how many NDB aproaches
TBN stands for Two Busted Navaids!!!

I see that corpex is once again in good
company. By the way, is the pay frozen
at GLA???
 
Scope?

I wonder if a bus falls under the scope clauses......... We better help brother D put that in their contract.

:p :p :D :D :D :cool:
 
Waco,

I just got word from our Delta MEC that we ARE ALLOWING you to drive busses if you want. But, those busses MUST have less than 71 seats total, and you can only drive them at night, in the far right lane of the interstate, and at less than 50 MPH. Any larger busses, like double deckers, goes to mainline. Enjoy!!!:D :D


Bye Bye--General Lee:D ;) :p ;) :rolleyes:
 
Employment Opportunity:

Great Lakes Avaition is seeking qualified applicants for the position of Bus Pilot.
Qualifications include Class A CDL and the following driving experience:
50,000 Total Miles including:
5,000 off-road
15,000 highway with a speed limit of greater than 65 mph
12,500 city with no less than 3 traffic signals per mile
No moving violation in the last 2 years.
12,500 night miles with dimmable headlights in reduced visibility


Intersted applicants may e-mail their resume to......
 
Gen,

Why do you Mainline bus drivers think you are better than us commuter bus drivers? Just because our bus is smaller than yours......we still stop at the same bus stops, we still use the same rest stop vending machines and we both wear the same hookie uniform!

Will it ever end?!?!

Hey, at least our busses are new.


Waco:D :D :D :D
 
acaTerry said:
Employment Opportunity:

Great Lakes Avaition is seeking qualified applicants for the position of Bus Pilot.
Qualifications include Class A CDL and the following driving experience:
50,000 Total Miles including:
5,000 off-road
15,000 highway with a speed limit of greater than 65 mph
12,500 city with no less than 3 traffic signals per mile
No moving violation in the last 2 years.
12,500 night miles with dimmable headlights in reduced visibility


Intersted applicants may e-mail their resume to......

Does that disqualify the Chief Pilot? :D
 
This does suck. I will have to deal with the bus at nights. They can let a plane sit on the ramp for half the year but the bus HAS to be put in a secure hangar 365 days. Its bad enough that I have to wait to put the plane in the hangar. Hopefully they don't run a regular greyhound schedule and get in at 3 am.

The bus is not supposed to stop enroute, so when do they get fuel? "Lakes xxx is ten out, Alpha1 and we're going to need the diesel truck."
 
I was wondering the same thing.

I was wondering if the bus was going to be prohibited from stopping en-route.
If it is, it would make sense for security. However, I would always get the guy or gal that could not go 1 hour without a smoke. when I explained I could only stop at authorized locations, some would get really upset. If that person got so upset, that he/she bacame a safety threat, out the door they would go.
There were a few cases when a passenger attacked the driver because he would not stop to let them smoke.
I'm assuming if this happens, they would let security know BEFORE they re-entered the airport.
As for fuel, these buses have an 1100 mile range. So we could go a while without re-fueling. I once heard that if you left a bus running idle with full fuel, it would take over 2 weeks to run out of gas.
just some more useless info!!:cool:
 
Re: What A Nightmare!

Heavy_D_Driver said:
I'm sure Todd is just thrilled about the arrival of bus service to LAR.
Ha! Extra staffing for a bus operation = more people to fire! Imagine how crazed the man will look when he's single-handedly working a Beech and a bus.

Unfortunately this whole bus thing may send the wrong message to the public. It's basically a demonstrative, apples to apples comparison of driving versus flying over the same route. Expect to see yields and loads steadily fall in LAR and CYS, followed by the cessation of air service. My humble prediction. BOS-PWM and BOS-MHT both have had comfortable bus service introduced in recent years. Whereas there were almost 400 American Eagle SF340 seats a day between each of those cities in the past, now there are only a couple of RJ's/day in those markets. There's alot of different factors at work there, but suffice it to say that shorthaul air service is an increasingly tough proposition. Competing with oneself probably won't make it more attractive.
 
Great Lakes is not the pioneer of this. Check out Continental flights 2972, 2974 and 2976 from ABE to EWR. The flights are listed as "Continental flight 2972 operated by ExpressJet Airlines, Inc. dba Continental Express Bus Service. "
 
Maybe managment will make Todd hire somebody now. They already forced him into a vacation.

The sad thing is, these busses count toward our enplanments for the federal entitlement funds. So, I think that there is legislation that is changing the EAS wording and going to make it just Esensial(sp?) Service. So it is possible for the planes to go away after this. Instead of so many flights a day, it will probably be so many trips to DEN with so many seats a day going.
 
NEDude said:
Great Lakes is not the pioneer of this. Check out Continental flights 2972, 2974 and 2976 from ABE to EWR. The flights are listed as "Continental flight 2972 operated by ExpressJet Airlines, Inc. dba Continental Express Bus Service. "

Exactly - The route used to be operated by a Beech 1900. That Beech is now parked in the desert somewhere.
 

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