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Is it too early in the thread to say Mesa sucks!?!:smash:
 
I'm sorry, but these EAS communities piss me off.

You want to live in the sticks? That's fine; that's a real goal for a lot of folks, to get away from the hustle and bustle of city life.

But you know what it means? It means you're going to have to drive a ways if you want commercial air service. As a taxpayer, I don't like seeing $1 Million of my money used so Mr. McAneney doesn't have to drive 50 whole minutes (oh, the horror) to the "big airport" in St. George.

EAS needs to die. If you want a deregulated industry, then do it. But that means economically unviable air service is going away. I remember the whining when Utica, NY, lost its 737 service from Mohawk. Are you kidding me? They were lucky they kept Beech 1900 service, the air travel market was so dead. So dead, in fact, that they lost the subsidy altogether a few years back.

A win for the taxpayers; now they can drive the 40 miles of beautiful interstate highway to Syracuse, for heaven's sake. Which they did anyway. Why? To save $5 on the fare.


"I know we're stuck with them for two years, but we're definitely shopping."
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No, you don't get to choose the brand you like when you're eating government cheese. You get the lowest bidder, because you're begging for a handout.

Kill the EAS program now. :uzi:

(And no, it's never too early to say "Mesa Sucks." :D )
 
Yeah, EAS is outdated, but still that sounds like some pretty $hitty service
 
Looks like just about anybody can go in there, start up a small airline, and call it "Un-Mesa Airlines" and do well on name recognition alone.
 
CA1900 said:
I'm sorry, but these EAS communities piss me off.

You want to live in the sticks? That's fine; that's a real goal for a lot of folks, to get away from the hustle and bustle of city life.

But you know what it means? It means you're going to have to drive a ways if you want commercial air service. As a taxpayer, I don't like seeing $1 Million of my money used so Mr. McAneney doesn't have to drive 50 whole minutes (oh, the horror) to the "big airport" in St. George.

EAS needs to die. If you want a deregulated industry, then do it. But that means economically unviable air service is going away. I remember the whining when Utica, NY, lost its 737 service from Mohawk. Are you kidding me? They were lucky they kept Beech 1900 service, the air travel market was so dead. So dead, in fact, that they lost the subsidy altogether a few years back.

A win for the taxpayers; now they can drive the 40 miles of beautiful interstate highway to Syracuse, for heaven's sake. Which they did anyway. Why? To save $5 on the fare.


No, you don't get to choose the brand you like when you're eating government cheese. You get the lowest bidder, because you're begging for a handout.

Kill the EAS program now. :uzi:

(And no, it's never too early to say "Mesa Sucks." :D )
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If you want to turn this into a "deregulation" thread, I'm with you all the way! Kill the EAS!! If that were to happen, every senator and congressman in all the small states would vote for reregulation in a heart beat! And they would hold every other legislator's bills hostage until they got it! They would not allow their states to die economically due to lack of transportation infrastructure!
 
Why are they leaving so early? It's simple to check who's checked in and look at an f'n clock. That is really poor behaviour.
 
Mr Wu said:
Check in is advertised as closing 30 mins prior to departure. If you arrive at the desk 15-20 mins before departure, you deserve to be left behind.
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Just because check-in closing is 30 minutes prior to departure, doesn't mean you can leave 30 minutes early. People need more then 30 seconds to get through security and get to the gate, even at the smaller airports with 1 or 2 gates.
 
doh said:
Is it too early in the thread to say Mesa sucks!?!:smash:
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It is never too early to say Mesa sucks. Happy new year, oh and Mesa sucks.
 
homerjdispatch said:
The flight was OUT of SLC...He checked in on time and ARRIVED at the BOARDING GATE 15-20 minutes before departure (at least thats how I read it).
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Dude! When I jumpseat, I am at the gate at least an hour early cuz I am paranoid that the flight will leave early. I don't have much sympathy for whiny passengers that probably paid $30 for the flight. Ya get what you pay for.
 
capt. megadeth said:
Dude! When I jumpseat, I am at the gate at least an hour early cuz I am paranoid that the flight will leave early. I don't have much sympathy for whiny passengers that probably paid $30 for the flight. Ya get what you pay for.
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I wont argue that point!
 
homerjdispatch said:
The flight was OUT of SLC...He checked in on time and ARRIVED at the BOARDING GATE 15-20 minutes before departure (at least thats how I read it).
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In that case, it would be the gate agents fault. As far as I'm concerned, once I'm given the paperwork everyone is on board and I'm outta there about 3 minutes later. Does MESA have gate agents in SLC?
 
Death To Eas

EAS needs to DIE!!
Its a pure waste of tax payer money!​
  • Email your congress rep today!:angryfire
 
Mr Wu said:
Check in is advertised as closing 30 mins prior to departure. If you arrive at the desk 15-20 mins before departure, you deserve to be left behind.
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Then the bad press will continue I guess. I thought the DOT had issues with flights leaving more than 10 minutes early. Maybe that's industry myth.
 
I fly the Beech for Air Midwest in a different part of the country, and I can vouch that it is common practice for us to leave the gate up to 10 minutes early. We leave it up to our agents to enforce the cutoff time and get the passengers through security in a timely manner. Keep in mind the airports we serve in the Beech don't have multiple terminals, concourses, or even gates. Many times we have one agent and two or three TSA screeners who have to screen all the checked bags as well as each passenger. At 30 minutes prior to departure, the ticket counter closes so the agent and TSA screeners can go the the security checkpoint. If a person arrives last minute and wants to check a bag, there won't be any TSA people there to screen it. Nor will there be an agent to check the passenger in, since the agent has to check everyone's boarding pass at the checkpoint, load the bags, board the passengers, and marshall the plane out.

If someone shows up 20 minutes prior to a flight and isn't allowed on even though the aircraft is still on the ground, I don't feel sorry for them. That being said, if the crew knew there was a missing passenger, they probably would wait.

I have only left more than 10 minutes early twice in almost 3 years. Once was due to an approaching squall line in Kansas and it was a "now or never" type situation. If we hadn't left 20 minutes early, the flight probably would have cancelled. The other time was when the runway lights at our destination were out of service and we had to land before sunset. Whoever said the pilots chose to leave 30 minutes early is full of crap. We can't even get our clearance until 30 minutes prior to departure. Hell, half the time our releases aren't even ready yet.
 
You know, EAS aside isn't the airline working these cities on a garenteed income? Maybe some of that money needs to go to improved preventive maintenance. That would cut down on mx delays/cancellations.
 
Damn I missed being first to say MESA sucks...... Damn Carnies
Is EAS federal tax money or is it paid by the local or state tax money?
 
Totally federal. Your IRS dollars at work.

An example: Before the contract was terminated, CommutAir was getting $1.1 million a year to run a couple flight a day from Utica, NY, to New York City. If anyone actually paid to get on them (which was rare), that was gravy on top of the subsidy.

$1.1 million of your tax money so people won't have to make a drive of less than an hour on federally-subsidized Interstate Highway to Syracuse, where more frequent and less expensive service to NYC was available.

As a taxpayer, that kind of waste just makes me want to scream. All the while that hypocrite Chuck Schumer was bragging about "bringing JetBlue to New York," he was doing it by subsidizing their entry into Syracuse to provide that less expensive service. In a sense, both SYR and UCA had subsidized air service to New York City (both JFK at the time) -- UCA by the feds, and SYR by the state. Nice, eh?
 
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Im pretty sure EAS money is granted on previous year average pax emplaning. So if they est. 15 pax a leg and the airline has 16 pax get on board, the extra 1 pax is gravy--not the entire 15 people. Make sense? Most EAS companies are operating on bare minimums with what the gov't gives them. The gov't also gives them money based off of previous year fuel cost/operating cost. Which can change quickly. Just my two cents.......and Mesa sucks!
 
"We know we've had some issues and we're working on fixing them," said Mesa Air Group spokesman Jeffrey Hartz. "We've had a wet fart. Every airline has a wet fart. Our wet fart has just lasted a little longer than we would have liked it to last."


 

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