Govt funding for an ATP

[Kikuchiyo]

I had heard about a "one-time" education benefit to pay for a "certificate, license, or course." When I went to the Education Office, they said the course or training had to be provided by an accredited institution.

Anyone know if any real schools offer an ATP course that this benefit could be used for? It doesn't appear that ERAU does, and ALL-ATPs is not an accredited institution.

Or is there a loophole to allow it to be used for All-ATPs, or was my Education Office in error?

 

[NJA bound]

It's blinking in the top right corner of the page, your GI Bill will reimburse 60% of the 6K. As far as I know there arn't any GI Bill approved ATP courses, the only VA approved courses I found were type rating courses.

 

[Kikuchiyo]

I think I'm gonna have to go back to the Education Office to clarify the details on this particular benefit. It's not part of the GI Bill, and I don't think it's VA since it's available to active duty. It's a one-time benefit and has to be used while still active.

 

[NJA bound]

I think you've been mislead, I've never heard of a "one time deal" education benefit. I've heard that a DOD pilot can get a commercial ticket by taking the FAA written and showing military pilot records to the FAA. The only education benefits that I know of that can be used for flight training is the GI Bill, and to use it towards flight training the school must be approved by the VA, and you can use it as many times as you want, from commercial/multi/instrument certification to type ratings, until you use up the $32,000. or whatever the GI Bill is up to now.

I think someone has gave you bogus info about this "one time benefit".

 

[Mooseflyer]

Unfortunately I wasn't elligible for the MGIB so didn't look much into it, but I belive you can use it for an ATP. I'd say your best bet is to contact All-ATPS (or whomever) directly and ask them - they would almost certainly know better than the ed office. I've never heard anything about a one time benefit though.

 

[Phrogboy]

To be accredited for VA or govt programs, the course needs to be Pt. 141. Most 141 schools are eligible, but they must go through a process with the VA that can be lengthy from what I understand. The schools I have worked with do not offer a 141 ATP course because most of an ATP course is ground work, and therefore not worth their time or effort to get approved. An ATP rating really just comes down to experience, the FAA test, and the checkflight. For just the ATP, AllATP's just makes it convenient, and therefore a little more expensive.

 

[CGPILOT]

Can you use the Air Forces aircraft for your ride? The Coast Guard let me use our H-65 and it was the very simple. I just did it in conjuction with a stan check. If it is any consolation, you can pay for a ATP course and then write it off on your taxes(as long as you continue to be a prof pilot).

 

[Pistlpetet]

Kik,
I think you have been mis-lead by some urban legend. Unless the AF has some special give away, you are probably thinking about the GI Bill. You basically have the following options to get your ATP...

1. Pay for the whole thing at All-Atps (Approx $1500)

2. Use the GI bill if you have it, and either get a type rating in conjunction with getting your ATP. (6-7K minus 60% off)

3. Use your GI bill if you have it to go to a Part 141 flight school that is VA approved, and do their ATP course. (What ever the 141 hour requirement is minus 60%)

4. Work some slicky boy deal if possible with a Guard Member who might be a DE, and get your ATP with a DE observing you do a check ride in a US Air Force Aircraft.

 

[LeadSolo]

I just completed the ATP on Friday with ATP, inc. You can submit paperwork directly to the education officer or send it in to the VA for refunds on TESTING FEES. For me that included $90 each for FE and ATP written, and $350 for the examiner fee. Fill out VA form 22-1990 and you're all set to receive a check for $530.

 

[easymoney]

VA benefits

Have a look at these sites, anything that is being told to you by an education person someting you shoud be able to look at.

http://www.va.gov/publ/aacrao.htm

http://www.emilitary.org/pay2.html

are you still active duty? Do you have a flying club or aero club?

http://www.gibill.va.gov/Education/LCweb/search.asp

Good luck.

 

[GVFlyer]

Can you use the Air Forces aircraft for your ride? The Coast Guard let me use our H-65 and it was the very simple. I just did it in conjuction with a stan check. If it is any consolation, you can pay for a ATP course and then write it off on your taxes(as long as you continue to be a prof pilot).

I did mine in concert with a Qual check in a C-21 in Germany. A lot of guys at Andrews AFB did their ATP at FSI during sim training.

GV

 

[fly4unclesam]

This benefit does exist....I am also looking into it. It is not the GI Bill. This is a one-time benefit that you apply for through the education office....it uses tuition assistance money and not GI Bill money. It is for a certification or licence. There is a dollar amount (total and per credit hour) and it does have to been done through an accredited institution. The reg also states that flight training is prohibited. However, my education office checked into simulator time and it appears that they will approve that. However, again, it has to be done through an accredited university to count.

Anyone know of an accredited university that offers a 737 type?

 

[Tonedrvr]

I heard of a T-1 pilot at Laughlin that had the Air Force pay for or part of a 737 type. He did not use the GI Bill. A few of us were anxious to find out how he did it but he wouldn't spill the beans until he got his type out of the deal. I think he was afraid of somebody blowing the whistle, I still don't know how he pulled it off.

 

[MooseBoy]

Sounds like you might be referring to the "lifetime" or "hope" tax credit. If so, check out the link (talks about both credits). The education office is correct in the fact that the school must be accredited. The tax credit does not lower your taxable income, but directly lowers the tax that you will pay....either $2000 or $1500 for the year.

A couple of my buds just did the -737type/ATP at HPA. Both claimed on their tax return since the school is VA approved.

http://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc605.html

 

[bertengineer]

Atp

I just completed the ATP on Friday with ATP, inc. You can submit paperwork directly to the education officer or send it in to the VA for refunds on TESTING FEES. For me that included $90 each for FE and ATP written, and $350 for the examiner fee. Fill out VA form 22-1990 and you're all set to receive a check for $530.

Loni,

How was the checkride with Rogers Porter?

 

[Pistlpetet]

Sounds like you might be referring to the "lifetime" or "hope" tax credit. If so, check out the link (talks about both credits). The education office is correct in the fact that the school must be accredited. The tax credit does not lower your taxable income, but directly lowers the tax that you will pay....either $2000 or $1500 for the year.

A couple of my buds just did the -737type/ATP at HPA. Both claimed on their tax return since the school is VA approved.

http://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc605.html

You can use that Tax credit to any institution that is authorized to accept federal funds ie Financial Aid, VA approved, etc.

Using this tax credit will save you a little cash on the deduction, but nothing near what you would save using the GI Bill if available. Depending on your tax situation the tax deduction might be worthless.

 

[spanky2]

In the late 90's, the USAF used to have a program called "phoenix aviator". Not sure if it is still around. This program required you to stay until 20 years and in exchange the USAF paid for your ATP, FEX, FAA physical, 1 year membership in Air Inc, and supposedly worked with participating majors to get an interview. I was a "phoenix aviator" and completed my ATP and FEX thru ALLATPS at PNS in the Piper Seminole ... and flew my ATP check with the man with 2 last names ... Rogers Porters ... he was OK.