Goodbye SLC

[Tomct]

Dave, nowhere in my posts have I EVER been happy about guys being furloughed!
You are right, Pilots are not asked when and where to fly these airplanes, BUT we could try and put an end to the WHIPSAW buy getting together, which will never happen as long as you guys are non-union! My eyes are open Dave, Are YOURS? You need a UNION!

AdamKooper...Easy buddy, you don't want to do that to someone!

homer, we are doing just THAT! Is your skywst pilot group? NO!

 

[HoserASA]

No skywest pilot will ever be allowed on my jumpseat again.

Now that's the worst thing you could Adam, is start a JS battle! YOU may not commute, but we have many pilots who do. Please, just don't do it!

I think those of you blaming the SKYW pilots for this base closing are out of line. It's a management decision, and one that's understandable. We all know it doesn't make sense to have two bases there for the same operation. Sure, if the lists were merged it'd be wonderful for our pilots out there. But it's obvious that is not going to happen. I feel for our pilots having their lives upset again (DFW) with this. Maybe another base will open up, who knows. But bottom line, pilots at either airline fly the planes, management makes decisions, bad and good. Nothing we can do about it.

Hoser

 

[front9]

Originally posted by Tomct, Maybe someday you will figure that out after you take JA's cock out of your mouth!

When you dont have a good argument and only have anger for people this is what you come up with, name calling. You know nothing of Mr. Benjamin yet you bash him and everybody who disagrees with you. Grow up and act your age, and while you're at it rub one off - you'll be less angry, trust me.

Just like DB said, you didnt see any Skywest people bitching about their SLC flying being taken away by ASA guys. We welcomed you with open arms and treated you like professionals - NOT SCABS. So show a little respect and stop thinking about cocks so much, I'm starting to wonder if you're a broke back pilot.

 

[buscap]

just an update of the bad news

From the MYASA website:

New! ASA Leadership Meets With SLC Team
May 9, 2006 1:00 pm
ASA President, Bryan LaBrecque and Vice Presidents, Eva Durham, Anthony DiNota and Charlie Tutt, met with SLC employees on Monday, May 8, 2006, to discuss recent SkyWest, Inc., decisions pertaining to ASA’s operation of new CRJ-900 aircraft, configured at 70-seats, and to transfer ASA flying at SLC to SkyWest Airlines, beginning in September, 2006. This decision will, at some point, result in the closure of the SLC domicile. We expect this will likely occur by the end of 2006. Specific issues related to ASA employees affected by this closure will be provided as soon as practical. The SLC team of managers, chief pilots, chief flight attendants and supervisors will work with our employees to make this transition as smooth as possible.
The transfer of flying at SLC and final determination of our markets to be served with the CRJ-900 are subject to Delta approval in accordance with the provisions of our Delta Connection Agreement.

With very few exceptions, every pilot posting on this and related threads has shown a severe lack of understanding. This is business. No flying has been stolen from any pilot group, including DL.

While it would be helpful, or at least the lesser evil, if SW pilots were ALPA, the fact that DL, COMAIR, and ASA were all ALPA did absolutely nothing for the pilot groups, as it relates to who got what flying.

Now, when something like GOOOOYYYJET happens....that's another story. That truely is the closest thing to a scab there is. We're not there yet, but we could be someday.

If the tables were turned, ALPA or not, there isn't a thing the ASA pilots could do to prevent the whipsaw. Would that make us SCABS...no!

ASA Pilots...let's get our own house in order. The anty on the contract was just upped significantly. Better moving provisions and a strong commuter clause have now been added to the list of non-negotiable strike issues. Perhaps of a higher level than compensation.

If I were management, every single post on this thread would have me doing the moonwalk on orange shag carpet. Anger and resentment at any pilot is not the answer.

Quit the whining and remember; It's the economy stupid. ​

 

[Dave Benjamin]

If skypest pilots cared they would vote Alpa on property and stop managment. But you know I don't think they really want it. They are happy screwing ASA. They get all the growth and none of the blame and they can say "Oh hey its not us its the mormons in charge". Pathetic

Staying with delta would have been better. I bet we still would have gotten those 705s and growth and not had skypest stab us in the back like that.

Is ASA hiring high school kids?
Resorting to namecalling - Skypest?
Bringing religion into the debate - "it's the mormons in charge."

Grow up Adam. And by the way it's not your jumpseat. It's property of the Feds and your company. It will probably be a while before you upgrade and I'm sure the captains you fly with have far better judgement when it comes to deciding whether to approve a jumpseat request.

Yeah it's too bad you didn't get to stay with DAL. I hear the CMR pilots are real happy with their situation.

 

[SiuDude]

A flightinfo poster with common sense? No way!

From the MYASA website:

New! ASA Leadership Meets With SLC Team
May 9, 2006 1:00 pm
ASA President, Bryan LaBrecque and Vice Presidents, Eva Durham, Anthony DiNota and Charlie Tutt, met with SLC employees on Monday, May 8, 2006, to discuss recent SkyWest, Inc., decisions pertaining to ASA’s operation of new CRJ-900 aircraft, configured at 70-seats, and to transfer ASA flying at SLC to SkyWest Airlines, beginning in September, 2006. This decision will, at some point, result in the closure of the SLC domicile. We expect this will likely occur by the end of 2006. Specific issues related to ASA employees affected by this closure will be provided as soon as practical. The SLC team of managers, chief pilots, chief flight attendants and supervisors will work with our employees to make this transition as smooth as possible.
The transfer of flying at SLC and final determination of our markets to be served with the CRJ-900 are subject to Delta approval in accordance with the provisions of our Delta Connection Agreement.

With very few exceptions, every pilot posting on this and related threads has shown a severe lack of understanding. This is business. No flying has been stolen from any pilot group, including DL.

While it would be helpful, or at least the lesser evil, if SW pilots were ALPA, the fact that DL, COMAIR, and ASA were all ALPA did absolutely nothing for the pilot groups, as it relates to who got what flying.

Now, when something like GOOOOYYYJET happens....that's another story. That truely is the closest thing to a scab there is. We're not there yet, but we could be someday.

If the tables were turned, ALPA or not, there isn't a thing the ASA pilots could do to prevent the whipsaw. Would that make us SCABS...no!

ASA Pilots...let's get our own house in order. The anty on the contract was just upped significantly. Better moving provisions and a strong commuter clause have now been added to the list of non-negotiable strike issues. Perhaps of a higher level than compensation.

If I were management, every single post on this thread would have me doing the moonwalk on orange shag carpet. Anger and resentment at any pilot is not the answer.

Quit the whining and remember; It's the economy stupid. ​

 

[D'Angelo]

If skypest pilots cared they would vote Alpa on property and stop managment. But you know I don't think they really want it. They are happy screwing ASA. They get all the growth and none of the blame and they can say "Oh hey its not us its the mormons in charge". Pathetic

Staying with delta would have been better. I bet we still would have gotten those 705s and growth and not had skypest stab us in the back like that.

Actually skywest should do whats best for them not whats best for ASA. Oh the egos these ASA guys must have. They want everyone to make sacrifices so their lifes can be easier. TOUGH. Skywest has done a great job by keeping ALPO away for a long time. They only have one more drive to survive it appears. Someone said on another thread that if this drive doesnt go through then ALPO wont try again. I hardly believe that. As long as there is money to be made you can bet that they will always be coming around with their hat in hand. I say go for you skywest guys. Hopefully you will be able to throw ALPO to the curb, remember its extremely difficult to get rid of them once they are in. What good has ALPO done for any regional lately. Over here at comair they helped get a good contract only to tear it down by allowing mesa style contracts in the game. Your guys motto should be NOT ON OUR TIME NOT ON OUR DIME. Throw ALPO to the curb again, show them they arent the only game in town. If you do vote them in then its your right however I have the feeling that at what 20+ years of being non union the majority is happy without one. GIVE ALPO HELL SKYWEST!!! Court them, get them all excited then dump them on their A$$es.. It will be poetic justice.

 

[capt. megadeth]

If skypest pilots cared they would vote Alpa on property and stop managment.

Stop management from doing what? Giving them work rules that you guys (an ALPA airline) are looking to get?

You either need to put the ALPA kool aid or the crack pipe down or both.

 

[enuffalready]

ENUFFALREADY---

To all you BOOBS that are blaming any SKYWEST PILOT you need to STFU!

Those guys have absolutely no say whatsoever. Stop beotching about the stupid one rate. WE are still cheaper. ANY ASA guy that threatens loss of jumpseat needs to have his arse beatin.

They managed to drive a mountain sized wedge between us and mainline... thay got us all beotching to each other when Comair came to atlanta. Now they are attempting to do it with this move and you're falling for it hook, line and stinker. ( yes stinker.. not sinker)

It's just business..get your head out of that MAXIM for 2 seconds and you might see the forrest after all.

AND yes, I am an ASA guy so I can say this.

You guys are proving to be the idiots that managment thinks you are....

 

[AdamKooper]

Is ASA hiring high school kids?
Resorting to namecalling - Skypest?
Bringing religion into the debate - "it's the mormons in charge."

Grow up Adam. And by the way it's not your jumpseat. It's property of the Feds and your company. It will probably be a while before you upgrade and I'm sure the captains you fly with have far better judgement when it comes to deciding whether to approve a jumpseat request.

Yeah it's too bad you didn't get to stay with DAL. I hear the CMR pilots are real happy with their situation.

I am a captain and it is up to me who takes the jumpseat unless its the feds or company required

 

[Socalplt]

When they start letting idiots become Captains. Go ahead and refuse a jumpseat to a SkyWest pilot. Lets see where that gets you.

SkyWest buying ASA is the best thing that could have happen to you. If they hadn't you be in the same situation as Comair -- losing airplanes and facing possible concessions. With SkyWest you still have the possibilty of growth with additional airframes -- there is absolutely no way that would have happened if owned by Delta.

With are current rates+bonus plan we are paid even better than your 70 rate on all jet equipment.

 

[AdamKooper]

When they start letting idiots become Captains. Go ahead and refuse a jumpseat to a SkyWest pilot. Lets see where that gets you.

SkyWest buying ASA is the best thing that could have happen to you. If they hadn't you be in the same situation as Comair -- losing airplanes and facing possible concessions. With SkyWest you still have the possibilty of growth with additional airframes -- there is absolutely no way that would have happened if owned by Delta.

With are current rates+bonus plan we are paid even better than your 70 rate on all jet equipment.

Doubt that. ASA is required to have 80% of all DCI flying out of ATL. Delta wouldn't have reduced ASAs flying and would still give ASA growth.

 

[Socalplt]

Isn't ASA having 80% of the flying out of ATL a result of the new contract with SkyWest Inc.?

I'd bet Delta would have a hard time obtaining financing on any new aircraft for the next few years. At least at rates anywhere near acceptable.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

I am a captain and it is up to me who takes the jumpseat unless its the feds or company required

Yep it sure is. And be sure and let me know how your personal little jumpseat war goes. Something tells me you won't be too popular with your coworkers if you decide to start one. Chances are SKYW captains will take the high road and not stoop to your level however your name and employee number will probably get passed around to ASA jumpseaters and I'd expect a phone call or two from your jumpseat chairman. What would be particularly humorous is if one of your own fellow ASA captains told you to take a hike when you tried to jumpseat. Guys that try to start jumpseat wars are seldom liked or respected, especially if there is no compelling reason to lob the first round.

Judgement is one of most important traits for an airman to posess. Sadly yours is questionable and I think 99.9% of your coworkers would agree. Let's just hope for the sake of your passengers, FO, and FA's that your current lapse in judgement doesn't extend into other aspects of your flying.

 

[blueridge71]

double post

 

[blueridge71]

What we were told over at the FSI building is that SLC goes away in September or by the end of the year. SW gets to keep the 13 700s there. ASA gets 16 900s configured for first class and 3 additional GECAS 200s.

Supposedly the 900s will be used to go further into Central America and the Caribbean. SH spoke to the recurrent ground class.

IP told me that they expect a lot of SLC pilots to quit rather than move.

 

[Blucher]

Yep it sure is. And be sure and let me know how your personal little jumpseat war goes. Something tells me you won't be too popular with your coworkers if you decide to start one. Chances are SKYW captains will take the high road and not stoop to your level however your name and employee number will probably get passed around to ASA jumpseaters and I'd expect a phone call or two from your jumpseat chairman. What would be particularly humorous is if one of your own fellow ASA captains told you to take a hike when you tried to jumpseat. Guys that try to start jumpseat wars are seldom liked or respected, especially if there is no compelling reason to lob the first round.

Judgement is one of most important traits for an airman to posess. Sadly yours is questionable and I think 99.9% of your coworkers would agree. Let's just hope for the sake of your passengers, FO, and FA's that your current lapse in judgement doesn't extend into other aspects of your flying.

Very well said DaveB. Hopefully by the time Adam gets back out to his a/c he'll have calmed down a bit and be able to think more clearly. Nobody wants a jumpseat war, and quite frankly anyone with a little common sense would see that this whole argument is stupid. Why do pilots fall for the same thing over and over again? Line Pilot A did not decide to "take" the airplanes/flying from Line Pilot B! These decisions are made in board rooms or on golf courses, not in pilot's lounges! Everybody just simma' down na'!

-Blucher:erm:

 

[goahead]

This sucks for SLC guys but Skywest isn't getting all our 70's, their is like what 9-10 based in SLC. We are getting 900's on top of that so it will still be a net gain. Once DAL approves their TA then the 900's will have 76 seats and we can get up to 15 of them this year. The only problem I see in the future is parking in ATL. DAL is going to have to give up some more gate space if they want us to operate more planes. Right now we need to worry about our future contract and the poor guys in SLC that need our support.

 

[General Lee]

This sucks for SLC guys but Skywest isn't getting all our 70's, their is like what 9-10 based in SLC. We are getting 900's on top of that so it will still be a net gain. Once DAL approves their TA then the 900's will have 76 seats and we can get up to 15 of them this year. The only problem I see in the future is parking in ATL. DAL is going to have to give up some more gate space if they want us to operate more planes. Right now we need to worry about our future contract and the poor guys in SLC that need our support.

Actually, if the TA passes, you would get 15 76 seat RJs in 2007, not this year, and 15 more in 2008. If you got any this year they would have to have 70 seats.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[goahead]

Okay.

 

[rjcap]

Actually, if the TA passes, you would get 15 76 seat RJs in 2007, not this year, and 15 more in 2008. If you got any this year they would have to have 70 seats.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Of Course. How stupid of us.

Will somebody please tell JA that he can't have his planes until 2007.

 

[goahead]

Of Course. How stupid of us.

Will somebody please tell JA that he can't have his planes until 2007.

You betcha ya I already did.......

 

[Jack-O-Lantern]

Is ASA hiring high school kids?
Resorting to namecalling - Skypest?
Bringing religion into the debate - "it's the mormons in charge."

Grow up Adam. And by the way it's not your jumpseat. It's property of the Feds and your company. It will probably be a while before you upgrade and I'm sure the captains you fly with have far better judgement when it comes to deciding whether to approve a jumpseat request.

Yeah it's too bad you didn't get to stay with DAL. I hear the CMR pilots are real happy with their situation.

You SkyWest guys have got to ignore this meathead Adam guy! If this guy really is a Capt. for us then it is completely uncomprehensible that anybody could be so clueless! Im sure you guys know, every airline has a couple of idiots........

 

[Jeepman]

To the ASA guys: You are always welcome in my jumpseat, unless you decide to blame me personally for taking "your" flying.

When MESA came to DEN was I happy? Not necessarily, but it wasn't MESA taking my flying, it was UAL giving them the flying. *************************, different story and they aren't on our jumpseat list anyway.

I do hope the best to you guys and gals, and hope that if we go ALPA we can work together instead of fighting each other. From the few ASA pilots I have met I have been impressed with both the proffesionalism and not having the "I'm better than you" mentality.

 

[COOPERVANE]

I am embarassed to see such idiotic behavior on this board. Placing blame on SKW pilots is stupid. Come on, we ALL knew the SLC base was going to be closed. The writing has been on the wall for a long time. It is probably a wise move financially, it just sux for SLC pilots.

As a displaced Dallas guy, I understand the frustration, especially when you read a SKW post giddy with the prospect of STAPLING us to their list, but accusing each other of stealing flying is playing into managements hands EXACTLY as planned.

I wish we could work together

 

[scarlet]

exactly--it is not the skywest pilots--doing--however they should ask their chiefs why skywest is paying all this money for 2 departments for everything--2 hrs 2 payrolls 2 presidents 2 vps of every group why are we paying for ASA pilots to move when they could just stay here and we save 48 million dollars to move them back to ATL--( the move from DFW to ATL last year just for us 12000.00 the moving company charged ASA.. and that was DFW To ATL) this is something I would ask my mgmt group..

 

[outtahere]

Wouldn't the transfer of our 70's to Skywest trigger a single carrier petition from ALPA?

 

[millhouse21]

Oooh, good luck with that one. I hope you guys don't have separate web sites.

 

[sweptback]

Oooh, good luck with that one. I hope you guys don't have separate web sites.

They actually don't (http://www.skywest.com/). They'll probably hurry up and change it.