Good news and Bad news for MESA

[DashTrash400]

Aggghh! I guess it just hit me - I may be a little slow - but I just realized that atpcliff and pilotyip are (supposedly) two different people. I had always melded them into one persona given the similary of their posts, USAJet shilling and all.

 

[topdawg]

WHO THE FCUK GIVES A ******************** ABOUT USA JET. THIS A TOPIC ABOUT MESA AND THE SUMBAGS WHO WORK THERE (PILOTS AND JO)! They're all the same in my book....Cant say it was just JO that fcuked everybody in the industry...It was all you Mesa ****************************** bags that let him!

 

[brokedash]

The BOD has been real quiet if they did ask JO to resign (as in no public announcements). IF he did say no, we will see if the heat gets turned up on him. As someone else said, JO is a shrewd business man, thus I'm sure he'd play something as a trump card (most likely the China venture) to keep him and his posse in business.

The UAL/YV love/hate affair continues...however there are a couple of loose ends...mainly the recently negotiated contract to operate some 700s for 10 years as UAX...Also not so long ago UA was impressed enough with the YV Dash 8 operation in DEN to ask YV to place more of the type up there, or so the story goes. JO apparently shot himself in the foot as he didn't want to entertain the notion of adding more props to the fleet.

 

[pilotyip]

And your point is?

WHO THE FCUK GIVES A ******************** ABOUT USA JET. THIS A TOPIC ABOUT MESA AND THE SUMBAGS WHO WORK THERE (PILOTS AND JO)! They're all the same in my book....Cant say it was just JO that fcuked everybody in the industry...It was all you Mesa ****************************** bags that let him!

What someone posts about USA Jet I have to respond, it is genetic thing I guess?

 

[BoilerUP]

Funny, We just had a AWAC guy come to USA Jet for QOL and pay. He wanted more time at home and saw a pay increase going into the DC-9 as a F/O over F/O on a RJ.

A young FO who lives in DTW by chance?

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

My buddy said he had heard last Fri that JO was asked to resign.

USA Jet, basically, never has anyone leave for a regional.

A couple/3 years ago, mgmt decided to do an across-the-board pay cut instead of a furlough (they would've had to have furloughed about 1/2 of the pilots). They cut everyone's pay and work days by about 1/3.

At that time, we had a whole class of new hires leave (who would've been the first guys to be furloughed-everyone else stayed). One or two of them went to regionals. One guy went to Gemini and then UPS shortly after-so it worked great for him!

Ironically, the DC-9 guys actually made more money with the pay cut, because they got VERY busy during the pay cut (the pay was cut by lowering the monthly hourly guarantee-when it got busy, they flew WAY over guarantee). The Falcon guys did lose some money. I lucked out, because I enjoyed my 14 days off, and my wife made up the money by being able to work more because I was home more.

Now, back to discussing how bad things are at Mesa.

I just had a REALLY BAD thought. If JO leaves, the guy/girl (probably not) who replaces him could be WORSE!

cliff
GRB

PS-If any of ya'll want to go to a USA Jet thread and tell us how bad Mesa is, if it'll make you feel better, go for it!!!

 

[Rip Vanwinkle]

Your contribution to the thread is "I heard JO was asked to resign" which we already knew, followed by a paragraph of still more USAJet spamming, followed by "gee wouldn't it suck if they got someone worse than JO? PS CHECK OUT USAJET #1!"

Seriously, what is pilotyip offering for Top Salesman? A brand new 81 civic airport car? A gently overused pager? Perhaps the top seller gets a hard day off?

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Ok then. Back to USA Jet.

EVERY day off is a hard day. You only fly on a day off if you agree to-then you get 4 hours of pay ($92/hour for a 5 year Falcon Capt), or you bank your day to use later.

I used to work at Trans States, and I helped people go there, if they wanted to. I tell everybody who asks the good and bad of USA Jet, and before that Trans States.

I did not get to fly for 10 years, and I like to help people that want to fly, get the opportunity to.

I hope Mesa goes under, and other "good" regionals buy the aircraft and take the pilots. That way, everyone gets a decent job, and mgmt gets to see what happens when you REALLY screw up your job as a Manager/CEO. Hopefully, it'll be a lesson in what not to do for future airline managers.

cliff
YIP

PS-I'm pretty sure I applied at Mesa, and just like everywhere else-they wouldn't interview me-not enough experience.

PPS-I haven't heard confirmation of JO asked to resign. Anyone else have details???

 

[pilotyip]

So Cliff you gonna fly pax?

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

Could the moderator please move any post referring to USA jet to a different thread.

I doubt you could too many CEO;s worse than J.O. , but I have been wrong before. Mesa folks- good luck with ousting him.

 

[Boris Badenov]

If USAJet is such a great place to work, why spend so much time reminding everyone about it on thread after tiresome, totally unrelated thread?

PS. (Since thread hijack is complete): I hope JO swings in the breeze.

 

[pilotyip]

We are a small company

If USAJet is such a great place to work, why spend so much time reminding everyone about it on thread after tiresome, totally unrelated thread?

PS. (Since thread hijack is complete): I hope JO swings in the breeze.

Since we are not widely known any chance to get our name in public for free, why not. Until I am banned from this site, I will bring up USA Jet Airlines any time I want. USA Jet is the finest DA-20 operator in the business. We feel our training program is good enough to train anyone who has basic flying skills. USA Jet does all of its training under Part 121 N & O; the DA-20 has 5 weeks of full time ground school prior to starting sim training, which runs one week and 25 hours for F/O's. All DA-20 F/O's receive 25 hours of supervised IOE prior to being released to line operations, we observe 100 min time in seat for pairing restrictions and in the past have turned down trips because of only low time pairs available. We have not hired a Captain off the street since 1998. Our safety record speaks for it self and is the standard for the industry. No training is done in airplanes on ride along legs. We have had pilots go to major airlines and tell us, except for fancy bells and whistles, the USA Jet training was as good as they got at their major. No USA Jet pilot has failed training at his next job. At an unnamed national passenger operator, 50% of the new hire pilots washed out of DC-9 training, USA Jet pilots had a 100% pass rate based upon their USA Jet Training. Some pilots hired by a large player in the business waived all testing and sim evals for USA Jet pilots, because of the known quality of their USA Jet Training. While in full time ground school you are paid full pay of $34 K per year to start? We have program on track for 6-figure pay in 6 years for all Captains. 10 hard days off every 28 day bid period. While in a duty status, you have to live in the immediate YIP area. Pilots are expected to assist in loading and unloading cargo. Benefits are good with a Blue Cross/Blue Shield plan you would be eligible for after 90 days. Pay goes up for F/O’s $2/hr in the 3rd year. Captain could be as early as a year, depends upon turnover and growth. Company covers all hotel costs on the road and gives the pilots $1.83 per hour pre-diem while away from YIP to cover meals. Time away from home is the luck of the draw, one guy’s fly’s 80 hours and is gone from home 6 days, and the next guy flies 45 hours and is gone 12 days. Some guys spend one night a month in a hotel way from home, but fly many night time round trips. It is a non-sked, hence no schedule. How am I doing?

 

[jea]

Since we are not widely known any chance to get our name in public for free, why not. Until I am banned from this site, I will bring up USA Jet Airlines any time I want. USA Jet is the finest DA-20 operator in the business. We feel our training program is good enough to train anyone who has basic flying skills. USA Jet does all of its training under Part 121 N & O; the DA-20 has 5 weeks of full time ground school prior to starting sim training, which runs one week and 25 hours for F/O's. All DA-20 F/O's receive 25 hours of supervised IOE prior to being released to line operations, we observe 100 min time in seat for pairing restrictions and in the past have turned down trips because of only low time pairs available. We have not hired a Captain off the street since 1998. Our safety record speaks for it self and is the standard for the industry. No training is done in airplanes on ride along legs. We have had pilots go to major airlines and tell us, except for fancy bells and whistles, the USA Jet training was as good as they got at their major. No USA Jet pilot has failed training at his next job. At an unnamed national passenger operator, 50% of the new hire pilots washed out of DC-9 training, USA Jet pilots had a 100% pass rate based upon their USA Jet Training. Some pilots hired by a large player in the business waived all testing and sim evals for USA Jet pilots, because of the known quality of their USA Jet Training. While in full time ground school you are paid full pay of $34 K per year to start? We have program on track for 6-figure pay in 6 years for all Captains. 10 hard days off every 28 day bid period. While in a duty status, you have to live in the immediate YIP area. Pilots are expected to assist in loading and unloading cargo. Benefits are good with a Blue Cross/Blue Shield plan you would be eligible for after 90 days. Pay goes up for F/O’s $2/hr in the 3rd year. Captain could be as early as a year, depends upon turnover and growth. Company covers all hotel costs on the road and gives the pilots $1.83 per hour pre-diem while away from YIP to cover meals. Time away from home is the luck of the draw, one guy’s fly’s 80 hours and is gone from home 6 days, and the next guy flies 45 hours and is gone 12 days. Some guys spend one night a month in a hotel way from home, but fly many night time round trips. It is a non-sked, hence no schedule. How am I doing?

please go away

 

[TapitLight]

I love it. Just another example of the fact that 90% of the rumors in aviation are just that!

Mesa Air Group, Inc. Announces Amendment to Senior Staff Employment Agreements
Tuesday November 20, 4:30 pm ET

PHOENIX, Nov. 20 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Mesa Air Group, Inc. (Nasdaq: MESA - News) today announces that its Board of Directors approved certain amendments to the employment agreements for its Chief Executive Officer, Jonathan G. Ornstein, its President and Chief Operating Officer, Michael J. Lotz, and its Executive Vice President and General Counsel, Brian S. Gillman.
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The amendments extend the terms of their respective employment agreements for an additional three years. Mr. Gillman also received an increase in his base salary and is now entitled to an annual deferred compensation payment, which will also be payable through the remaining term of his employment agreement in the event of a change in control of the Company.
Dan Altobello, the Lead Director of the Company's Board of Directors, stated, "Ten years ago, when I joined the Board and Jonathan Ornstein and Mike Lotz joined Mesa, the Company had revenue of $423 million and had lost $54 million in the previous fiscal year. Since that time we have grown to over $1.4 billion in revenue, and since 9/11 earned operating profits on a pro-forma basis in 26 of 27 quarters, regained our partnership with United Airlines, formed a new partnership with Delta, added approximately 150 regional jets to our fleet, named Regional Airline of the Year in 2005 and provided unsurpassed job security and opportunity for our employees. All this was achieved during what has to have been the most difficult environment for airlines in history. The Board of Directors strongly believes that given the challenges the Company faces today it was important to demonstrate our support of management and to ensure the continuing services of Jonathan, Mike and Brian. We are similarly pleased that these members of our executive team have indicated their long term commitment to the Company by agreeing to extend the terms of their employment agreements for the additional three years." "I am thankful to have had the opportunity to be part of the Mesa team for the past nine years. On behalf of Mike and Brian, I'd like to thank the Board for their support. I look forward to working with my Mesa co-workers in the coming years. While we face some significant challenges ahead -- this is nothing new to Mesa. I am confident that by working together we will continue to be successful," said Jonathan Ornstein.

 

[jea]

I love it. Just another example of the fact that 90% of the rumors in aviation are just that!

Mesa Air Group, Inc. Announces Amendment to Senior Staff Employment Agreements
Tuesday November 20, 4:30 pm ET

PHOENIX, Nov. 20 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Mesa Air Group, Inc. (Nasdaq: MESA - News) today announces that its Board of Directors approved certain amendments to the employment agreements for its Chief Executive Officer, Jonathan G. Ornstein, its President and Chief Operating Officer, Michael J. Lotz, and its Executive Vice President and General Counsel, Brian S. Gillman.
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The amendments extend the terms of their respective employment agreements for an additional three years. Mr. Gillman also received an increase in his base salary and is now entitled to an annual deferred compensation payment, which will also be payable through the remaining term of his employment agreement in the event of a change in control of the Company.
Dan Altobello, the Lead Director of the Company's Board of Directors, stated, "Ten years ago, when I joined the Board and Jonathan Ornstein and Mike Lotz joined Mesa, the Company had revenue of $423 million and had lost $54 million in the previous fiscal year. Since that time we have grown to over $1.4 billion in revenue, and since 9/11 earned operating profits on a pro-forma basis in 26 of 27 quarters, regained our partnership with United Airlines, formed a new partnership with Delta, added approximately 150 regional jets to our fleet, named Regional Airline of the Year in 2005 and provided unsurpassed job security and opportunity for our employees. All this was achieved during what has to have been the most difficult environment for airlines in history. The Board of Directors strongly believes that given the challenges the Company faces today it was important to demonstrate our support of management and to ensure the continuing services of Jonathan, Mike and Brian. We are similarly pleased that these members of our executive team have indicated their long term commitment to the Company by agreeing to extend the terms of their employment agreements for the additional three years." "I am thankful to have had the opportunity to be part of the Mesa team for the past nine years. On behalf of Mike and Brian, I'd like to thank the Board for their support. I look forward to working with my Mesa co-workers in the coming years. While we face some significant challenges ahead -- this is nothing new to Mesa. I am confident that by working together we will continue to be successful," said Jonathan Ornstein.

heartbreaking....

 

[go!ng for broke]

heartbreaking....

What a crock. Aloha Airlines in April will be worth the wait and will roast that rooster with his hen shares too....

 

[Little Mojito]

TapitLight,

You beat me to it!

http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provider/providerarticle.aspx?feed=ACBJ&date=20071120&id=7843398

 

[Soverytired]

Contract extension for JO. Jeebus Christ.


The board must want to keep him around so he can rape the pilot group a second time now that their contract is up.

 

[79%N1]

So this thread was all BS!

 

[pilotyip]

Thursday

please go away

I will be going away on Thursday, I have just not picked which one yet.