GoJet Pilots Unionize!

[fuelflow]

Looks like Teamsters for GoJet. Definitely a start in the right direction.


http://www.teamster.org/divisions/Airline/airlineorganizing.htm


So much for bargain-basement wages!

 

[pianoman]

Having the teamsters try and organize you doesn't mean that the pilots have done it. It just means they're recruiting them. ALPA tried and failed to recruit Commutair pilots a few years back.


That said, I hope they do join SOME union, no matter which one.

 

[jpeace02]

scope

this is just a question for you trans states guys. i haven't seen too much talk about scope. i'm assuming you have it in your contract? just a confused and bitter air whisky guy.

 

[jtf]

The scope refers to all flying done for the "company" being done by Trans States seniority list pilots. The way they are trying to backdoor the scope is by starting a new company- Trans States Holdings- to "own" GoJets so that Trans States Airlines is "separate". This is one way any scope could probably be challenged- scary. The contract calls for expedited arbitration (to the arbitrator within 15 days and a decision within 30 days after that). Unfortunately, I don't think the greivance can come until the first flight is dispatched.

 

[AviatorTx]

Hopefully ALPA will take the same stance on the GO Jets pilots as they did with the Freedumb pilots.

 

[fuelflow]

I agree, it does seem to be a different animal. Especially when you consider TSA's ALPA MEC's history of ratifying a mediocre contract without a vote, and then a contract extension again without a vote (I heard to get the chairman his job back) has hurt us all. I don't know if it's a ALPA local or national issue, but crap like that pushes pilots toward other representation. I do hope it works out for all parties involved, but I understand these pilots' desire to break away.

 

[crashpad]

GoJet Pilots Unionize! Who gives a crap?

Some one please tell me the last time a union in this industry did the pilots more of a service than they were paid for? Some call it insurance, but it's just blood money to fill the pockets of carpet bagggers.

The Teamsters...ooooo, conjures up visions of toughguys breaking the kneecaps of scabs.
Look at Skywest. No union and now, tons of Air Wisco flying...sweet.

 

[pianoman]

Let's see.... at my company the union successfully fought to get the jobs back of at least 4 pilots this year alone. They also defended pilots after being involved in a/c mishaps. I like having career insurance, personally.

Other good point:

Let's say your non-union carrier falls on hard times. The company decides they need to get rid of one aircraft type. Rather than retrain everyone in seniority order, they're just going to furlough everyone on the aircraft they're getting rid of, even if they're senior to the other ones. Because they don't want to pay training costs. You can laugh, but it happened at Midway Airlines. Oh, wait, I forgot they might not even furlough you they just might fire you and tell you when you come back, you start at 1st year pay.

Unions are a necessary evil in this industry. You can make them less evil by personally holding your MEC and reps accountable for carrying out your wishes.

 

[vclean]

Furlough based on a/c, not seniority, is not limited to non-union carriers. Chautauqua comes to mind when they fired only Saab crews in '01.

 

[pianoman]

Interesting. I did not know that. Did their contract have a provision prohibiting this? Was it taken to arbitration and subsequently fixed or were they just SOL because no one had the foresight to insist on it in the contract?

 

[stall022]

Looks like Teamsters for GoJet. Definitely a start in the right direction.


http://www.teamster.org/divisions/Airline/airlineorganizing.htm


So much for bargain-basement wages!

that's great and all...but you are forgetting one thing.. it takes years to get a union on the property, a contract written and passed, especially when you include the slimball lawyers and ceo’s nowdays. I realize a company can’t stop a group from unionizing but they can sure play a lot of games.

Companies violate contracts at their whim. The common response is file a grievance and we will settle it next year or 10 years from now.

 

[TWA Dude]

Interesting. I did not know that. Did their contract have a provision prohibiting this? Was it taken to arbitration and subsequently fixed or were they just SOL because no one had the foresight to insist on it in the contract?

It was very much a violation of their contract and it was subsequently overturned.

 

[8v8ter]

Since Gojet doesn't have any line pilots yet that are not management, who are the Teamsters going to represent? Isn't a union supposed to protect labor from the management? If so, how can the Teamsters ethically respond to a request from Gojets management for representation. This clearly just an attempt to get another union on the property besides ALPA so they can pit one against the other.

 

[Vmo]

GoJet Pilots Unionize! Who gives a crap?

Some one please tell me the last time a union in this industry did the pilots more of a service than they were paid for? Some call it insurance, but it's just blood money to fill the pockets of carpet bagggers.


Crashpad,


It seems like FAPA has done a great deal of good things over there at F9.

Teamsters have not done much for Lakes though.

 

[pianoman]

It was very much a violation of their contract and it was subsequently overturned.

Thanks. So in this case, had there been no union, I think it's pretty reasonable to say that the problem would have never been fixed. Again, please don't take this as kool-aid, I'm just providing an positive example of unionism.

 

[Cardinal]

The Teamsters...ooooo, conjures up visions of toughguys breaking the kneecaps of scabs.

If only that were the case. I can think of at least four people in our labor battle who need to get kneecapped, and one of them is a business agent at the Teamsters Airline HQ.