God Speed bizjet737

[netjetwife]

It is possible to show respect and concern at the same time. Randy wouldn't mind the NJ pilots being told that others have worn a down coat with the uniform. He cheerfully shared info with the entire group. I, personally, will miss his insight. Still hard to believe that he is gone....

 

[FLYLOW22]

sad to hear, I liked his posts..

for those making this a uniform issue you should be ashamed. how pathetic.

go buy a freakin coat you idiots. Thats what the average person with a brain does when its cold.

All due respect here but...

The company buys your initial coat and uniform.

The fact is that a NJA pilot MUST wear only approved uniform items. That being said, the company provided unifomr coat is NOT that warm and insulating.

We have had several problems with uniform quality as the company has decided NOT to go with an aviation uniform provider like M and H. They have gone with a "civilian" suit maker that knows little of uniform construction, materials and customer service for that matter.

Pilots have submitted several ideas to fix the issue and all have been shot down.

Please don't call people idiots when they are, in fact, the one's who are right on.

 

[Guitar rocker]

sad go buy a freakin coat you idiots. Thats what the average person with a brain does when its cold.

Thats pretty rude of you gulfstream200..........

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Thats pretty rude of you gulfstream200..........

maybe so..but come on folks...who risks thier health because thier company does not buy them a warm coat?

"damm company wont buy me a decent coat so I will ge the flu and show them"..."maybe this will show them we need better coats"....jesus christ gotta love that mentality huh?

Wear what you need to when it is dangerously cold - I dont care what your company says! I am given a lined trench coat and a heavy leather jacket by my company - and thats what we are supposed to wear..we also frequently go to one of the coldest places in the US...what do I wear? my $400 North Face heavy duty parka. Never been an issue or a second thought on my part. In fact, I just consider it uh....COMMON SENSE. Adhering to an ops manual in extreme conditions is not worth my health. My company also would not expect anything less from me.

Company has a problem with that? let them fire you. Any two bit lawyer (or your "strong union") would make you 10X your NJ wages over that one.

Use your heads and stop turning this fellas (Randy I believe) unfortunate early death into a company uniform issue.

real lame.

 

[CE750Driver]

Never ever thought I would say this, but I agree with G200.

Godspeed Randy.

 

[notaNJApilot]

Even if this does get turned into a uniform issue, I don't think NetJets or IBT1108 will be involved. It would be a claim between the family and their lawyer and the Ohio Bureau of Workers Compensation. I do agree with G200 though, putting any company before your own personal health is pathetic.

 

[FLYLOW22]

G,

Fine.

You win.

Feel better?

 

[Gulfstream 200]

G,

Fine.

You win.

Feel better?

yeah. that was my point... ...to win...you can certainly do better than that?

by the way - martyrs get no respect.

but ya know what they call second place, dont you flylow?

first loser.


anyhow - not to get way off topic on this one..the best to you and all at NJ who worked with bizjet737. Any guy who dies and leaves a family at 40ish was way too young..

lets hope the deep pockets help out his family with thier needs.

 

[MACH-TUCK]

God Speed Bizjet737.....RIP

 

[netjetwife]

Actually, I would think that the family will be just fine, financially, at least. Randy flew the BBJ for the past 5 yrs so was paid professional wages. For those who don't know, that group had a separate contract in the past. In addition, the NJ pilots' new CBA has benefits for families who face the death of the pilot. Randy was a SU supporter and was concerned for the pilots who were underpaid. He looked beyond his own situation and saw what was needed by the group as a whole. Randy will be remembered for that ...

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Actually, I would think that the family will be just fine, financially, at least. Randy flew the BBJ for the past 5 yrs so was paid professional wages. For those who don't know, that group had a separate contract in the past. In addition, the NJ pilots' new CBA has benefits for families who face the death of the pilot. Randy was a SU supporter and was concerned for the pilots who were underpaid. He looked beyond his own situation and saw what was needed by the group as a whole. Randy will be remembered for that ...

Do you EVER turn off this bull$hit?





My guess is he would rather be remembered as a husband, father (?), friend...not a "SU supporter concerned for pilots who were underpaid".

good god NJ wife -- you are hollow and pathetic.

 

[AA717driver]

Gotta go with G200. TWA said I had to wear my hat on walkarounds. When it was -9 in MSP not counting wind chill, I wore a sock hat. I also abandonned my trench coat for a down jacket.

I appreciate being a good troop but I learned early on to put personal safety ahead of the company policy. Maybe this will be the catalyst for change at NJA. I hope so.TC

 

[Guitar rocker]

Do you EVER turn off this bull$hit?





My guess is he would rather be remembered as a husband, father (?), friend...not a "SU supporter concerned for pilots who were underpaid".

good god NJ wife -- you are hollow and pathetic.

G200, enough of your winter speech and cold weather outfitting recommendations. It's becoming old and disrespectful. Seeing that you do not know all the facts either, it would be great if you could just keep quiet. That would be much appreciated.

How in the world did you get so astray from the original posting on this thread to lecturing us about winter gear and now slamming on others here???? Geeeez. You couldnt be MORE disrespectful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[h25b]

First of all, trying to turn this in to a US vs. THEM union thing about not being provided the proper winter attire is about the most tasteless thing I have ever seen on this forum. Like G200 says, take care of yourself to the extent necessary to keep your good health. If doing so is not possible by complying with the dress code, screw them. This is called common sense.

Good bye Randy, God bless you and rest your soul. You'll be best remembered by your family and friends. It's those people that are the most important during this time.

 

[GEXDriver]

NetJetsWife

Do you EVER turn off this bull$hit?





My guess is he would rather be remembered as a husband, father (?), friend...not a "SU supporter concerned for pilots who were underpaid".

good god NJ wife -- you are hollow and pathetic.

I agree with you completely, G200. It is reprehensible to use someone's death to try to further your political (or union) agenda. NetJetsWife should have some respect.

 

[netjetwife]

His family and their community are honoring Randy for his role as husband, father (2 sons), son, and friend. It is natural that an aviation forum would remember other aspects of his life. The support he showed for the pilots mattered to his family. Randy's father asked his fellow pilots attending the funeral to wear the NJ uniform.

An unselfish attitude and volunteering to serve others are admirable traits that anyone should be pleased to leave behind as a legacy. Being a BBJ pilot means that Randy didn't need a new contract. That he concerned himself with pilots that did, speaks highly of Randy's character. There is nothing political in pointing that out. I had both written and verbal conversations with Randy. I will miss his support and advice.

 

[Peter_Griffin]

Actually, I would think that the family will be just fine, financially, at least. Randy flew the BBJ for the past 5 yrs so was paid professional wages. For those who don't know, that group had a separate contract in the past. In addition, the NJ pilots' new CBA has benefits for families who face the death of the pilot....

I am happy to hear the guy made good money and that there are safeguards set in place to help out any NJA family feeling the loss of an employee. Making sure his family would be taken care if was the intent of my question, don't know about anyone else's.

Still no matter how much $$ the guy made flying the BBJ or how much life insurance he might have had, losing the sole provider of a family at 40 is most likely gonna be more than tough financially on the wife and kids about to set off for college in a few years, not to mention brutal just to lose him period.

I know my first reaction (after a prayer for him and his family) when I heard about it, (especially considering the fact he was younger than I am) is that I knew if it were me, my wife & kids would be screwed. Time to look over "the plan" again I guess...

I heard there will be a fund set up to help his two kids finish their flying lessons as that was a passion he had shared with them. Sounds like a great way to spend a day's perdiem to me...

 

[BBJPILOT]

Make no mistake, there are not enough "safegaurds" in place for anyone at NetJets to protect their family when the reason is not "flight related". At 40 years old, or any age, this is truly a long term hardship for the family. I have known Randy for more than 16 years, he will be missed, in every possible way by friends and his family!

 

[netjetwife]

Like Peter has pointed out, death has a way of making you re-examine your own life. The need for a contingency plan is brought home, along with thoughts of relationships. As one of the BBJ pilots has just reminded us, the company benefit isn't enough to support a family that loses the pilot's income. While that is correct, it is also true that being paid professional wages allows a pilot to better prepare the family for any disaster, including death. College funds and investments can all be put into place ahead of time when the bread-winner's salary isn't taken up entirely with just providing the basics required to sustain a family. I am relieved that Randy had that opportunity to provide for his family's future. If frac pilots reassess their families' financial security due to the death of a fellow pilot, a measure of good will come from a tragedy.

BBJPilot, my condolences to you and the BBJ community within NJ. My friendship with Randy only spanned a year, but from that I can tell that his loss will be keenly felt among your group.

 

[DO-82 driver]

I know Randy's death was not aviation related but it make you sit back and really look at the fact that this business is one of the most dangerous in the world!!!!!!!

Many of us take such a cavelier attitude towards what we do.......all the more reason to try and prepare for the unexpected. We are all worth the money we make...and thensome!!!!!

 

[batsky2000]

The winter uniform is a joke here at NetJets... I have had Double Pneumonia twice in 7 years here at NetJets. The Uniforms are not designed for our line of work on the ramp-walking 100 yards to the FBO in sub-zero conditions, humping bags etc...

We need a light weight parker with a removeable liner-one that will double in the summer as rain gear... I was in the military for over 20 years and missed 9 days of duty, here at NetJets-same job- I have missed over 45 days in the winter due to the UNIFORMS..

God Bless him and his family...

Are you freakin kidding me!!!! you are going to blame getting sick based on not having a coat that meets your standards? Get Real!!!!, Thats all I need,a stupid coat like the one you want to lug around, what do you have for a bag, one of those giant check on's like the owners have? we are not out that long in the cold, and I am hot as s$it after humping bags that all I want to do is put the heat down anyways and the cold up, all I wear is a sweater over my uniform and the blazer, and that is warm enough, even in the sub zero temps!! I dont even carry that stupid overcoat

Learn to suck it up, and for what its worth, I was also in the Military and I could not stand wearing that stupid overcoat!!

 

[FLYLOW22]

we are not out that long in the cold, and I am hot as s$it after humping bags that all I want to do is put the heat down anyways and the cold up, all I wear is a sweater over my uniform and the blazer, and that is warm enough, even in the sub zero temps!! I dont even carry that stupid overcoat

Learn to suck it up, and for what its worth, I was also in the Military and I could not stand wearing that stupid overcoat!!

He must have an APU...

 

[Guitar rocker]

He must have an APU...

That and he's never lived in North Dakota either.

 

[Diesel]

or isn't an fo that does the walk arounds.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

My prayers to the family and also to all the NetJets pilots. If there is a fund being set up, please post it. 40 is awfully young to pass away.

This must be a very bad flu season. My father-in-law, my brother and my neighbor all have pneumonia. Drink lots of fluids (orange juice) and get some rest if you can’t shake a cold within a week. And go see a doctor at the first sign!

 

[BBJPILOT]

And go see a doctor at the first sign!

And in this case, that is the answer!

 

[batsky2000]

or isn't an fo that does the walk arounds.

I live in Chicago, close enough to North Dakota,

you guys just need to grow some thicker skins and stop being pu$$ys

 

[Diesel]

Batsky-
Dude this is a thread for the passing of a friend, a brother, and a family man. It's not about being a pu$$y it's about how we can prevent this in the future.

Sorry you fail to see that.

 

[Guitar rocker]

Batsky-
Dude this is a thread for the passing of a friend, a brother, and a family man. It's not about being a pu$$y it's about how we can prevent this in the future.

Sorry you fail to see that.

You said it Diesel!

 

[netjetwife]

The fund set up to pay for the remainder of the flying lessons Randy's two sons had begun has achieved that goal. The donations are now being put into a general/education fund for their future needs. My family is proud to be associated with the caring people in the NJ group.