Global 7000 & 8000

[G4dude]

I'll be on tour.

 

[gunfyter]

I'll be on tour.

Me too

 

[gutshotdraw]

I burned two PTO to do it.

 

[Diesel]

There was a HUGE falling out between Sokol and Gulfstream and that antagonism was carried forward by the idiot lawyer. The cancellation of NJ's standing orders and the tone of the re-negotiations on maintenance by Sokol REALLY pissed off the now-retired CEO of Gulfstream. The cancellation fees NJ had to pay were north of $50 million but the relationship was severely damaged.



Fortunately, the new CEO of Gulfstream and the returning COO of NJ have a much better relationship and I expect an announcement, perhaps as early as NBAA in Las Vegas.



Given the "challenges" Bombardier is experiencing with the 7000/8000 development, I also expect an announcement canceling those orders (hopefully we'll also cancel the orders for that gawd-awful 605). The one thing Sokol DID do right was negotiate cancellation escape clauses with Bombardier.

75 million.

 

[Diesel]

I'll be on tour.

If you were off would you be there?

 

[G4dude]

If you were off would you be there?

Probably not. I would not be in favor of introducing conflict into the ongoing process, which seems to be progressing ok.

 

[Diesel]

Probably not. I would not be in favor of introducing conflict into the ongoing process, which seems to be progressing ok.

You're kidding right?

That map that was laid out by the company 90 day plan has come and gone. So where is the progressing ok coming from?

Have you read the union updates the parties are very very far apart. Where is the progression?

You're not introducing conflict. The company already did that by failing to meet their own deadline.

You would be SUPPORTING your negotiation committee. Who is begging for your help and support to create leverage to get this done.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Probably not. I would not be in favor of introducing conflict into the ongoing process, which seems to be progressing ok.

Diesel is right amigo and you're wrong.

You and quite a few others in the fleet didn't believe me when I said the ONLY way to get rid of the idiot lawyer was to publicly EMBARRASS the man in Omaha.

It worked, didn't it?

Guess what? The process has almost COMPLETELY broken down and it's because of the man in Omaha. The ONLY way to get it moving again is to publicly EMBARRASS him. Again.

 

[OPECJet]

Probably not. I would not be in favor of introducing conflict into the ongoing process, which seems to be progressing ok.

You're a coward. Stand up for yourself and your profession. It's a good feeling.

Or don't. Your choice.

 

[Diesel]

You're a coward. Stand up for yourself and your profession. It's a good feeling.

Or don't. Your choice.

780 pilots walked plus countless others donated.

Don't worry they already stood up for those that won't.

 

[OPECJet]

780 pilots walked plus countless others donated.

Don't worry they already stood up for those that won't.

I proudly earned my pin. Taking a stand is a good feeling. G4 should try it.

 

[realityman]

Probably not. I would not be in favor of introducing conflict into the ongoing process, which seems to be progressing ok.

Your union leadership set up those pickets and specifically asked all of us to perticipate.

If you were working, fine.

But I'd love to know how you came to the conclusion that introducing conflict is a bad thing? Your union leadership is asking us to do just that (in a respectful, legal way). What do you know that they don't?

Let's face it, no matter what anyone says here, no matter how many communications you get from the union leadership, you've already determined that you will not participate in any way in helping to secure your own future here.

So how about ending all the verbal tap dancing and pretending like you're trying to consider all sides and navigate the best course of action. You've obviously already made up your mind that you aren't going to help. Even though you admit to having zero previous experience with this whole process, you refuse to listen to, or believe, those that have been through it, some of us mutiple times, including your union leadership.

Unions have their pros and cons. One of the biggest cons is that when we eventually win, all those who sat back and did nothing to help will also benefit from our efforts. So, enjoy the ride on our coattails and at least have the decency to say "Thank you" to those of us who made the effort when this is all over.

 

[Honorstudent]

Amen realityman, you are spot on and there will always be those that will secretly hide in the shadows throwing stones and allow those of us that truly understand what having a union is all about to standup and do the heavy lifting while they reap the rewards of our labor.

 

[jetlag7]

..... when we eventually win, all those who sat back and did nothing to help will also benefit from our efforts. So, enjoy the ride on our coattails and at least have the decency to say "Thank you" to those of us who made the effort when this is all over.

https://youtu.be/JTCsL26vob4

 

[realityman]

https://youtu.be/JTCsL26vob4

Nevermind, I was thinking of a different story.