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Associated Press -- Report: Giants May Target Budget Airlines
Tuesday September 30, 5:25 pm ET
By Brad Foss, AP Business Writer

Lehman Brothers Says Major Airlines Might Retaliate Against Low-Cost Carriers


Should budget airlines, the darlings of an embattled industry, be watching their backs? With the rapid growth of low-cost carriers coming at the expense of the nation's largest airlines, the Goliaths are increasingly likely to step up their counterattack, according to a Lehman Brothers report published Tuesday.

"The risk of competitive retaliation by the major airlines is growing," Lehman Brothers airline analyst Gary Chase said, alluding to a possible price war in which the biggest airlines -- American, Delta, Continental -- would attempt to squeeze the weakest low-cost carriers out of business by reducing fares to rock-bottom levels.

While the likelihood of such a move remains low, Chase said major carriers are becoming more confident as the economy, and their industry, begin to recover from an extremely difficult period. All that's needed to spark an industrywide assault on budget airlines "is for one carrier to take that step," Chase said.

"In that environment," he added, "we believe that many marginal carriers would be unable to withstand the retaliation." While Chase did not specify which carriers he considers to be "marginal," he did allude in his report to smaller carriers such as Spirit Airlines and Atlantic Coast Airlines that are "beginning to rattle their sabres" with regards to growth plans.

That said, Chase made clear that a price war would not be effective against Southwest Airlines, JetBlue Airways and AirTran Airways, the three low-cost carriers that have inflicted the most pain on the big hub-and-spoke carriers. He considers these airlines well-financed, well-liked by travelers and poised to hold "for decades" the market share they've grabbed from the nation's biggest carriers.

In 2002, low-fare airlines had 27.8 percent of the domestic market, up from 26.2 percent in 2001 and 9.3 percent in 1991, the report said.

A spokesman for JetBlue Airways said the current market aggression of carriers such as American Airlines and Delta Air Lines, which launched a low-cost subsidiary called Song, suggests that the industrywide retaliation is already underway.

"When you look at American's choice of routes and marketing choices, you could certainly say some sort of retaliation is already there," JetBlue spokesman Gareth Edmondson-Jones said. JetBlue's expansion has occurred in leisure markets dominated by American, which has responded to the threat with matching low fares.

Chase acknowledged this activity, but largely dismissed it as ineffective.

"Our analysis shows that the network airlines remain uncompetitive with the best low-fare carriers," he said.

While airline industry losses for the year are expected to exceed $6 billion, Southwest, JetBlue and AirTran all have been profitable.


http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/030930/airlines_retaliation_1.html
 
Good, objective overview. The last two sentences speaks volumes about the industrys' future. 'Assimilates' would have been better served in place of 'targets'.
 
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Let me get this right. The major airlines, whom are all ready bleeding red ink, are going to slash fares and induce a fare war to drive the low cost carriers out of business. Ha ha ha rofl...
What if the low cost carriers fought back and slashed fares to drive the majors out of business. And then pretty soon the airlines "the ones that we left after the great fare wars" had to pay the passengers to fly on them.
 
N1atecon,


No, that is not what it said. It said that they could target select ones in certain markets. The new ACA, for example, could be targeting with lower fares just out of IAD from all of the Majors. Not every route would be slashed, only the ones out of certain cities.

Bye Bye--General Lee:rolleyes:
 
General Lee said:
N1atecon,


No, that is not what it said. It said that they could target select ones in certain markets. The new ACA, for example, could be targeting with lower fares just out of IAD from all of the Majors. Not every route would be slashed, only the ones out of certain cities.


General Lee I think you hit the nail on the head. The "Giants" don't need to slash fares on all their destinations, just introduce additional capacity and lower fares on the overlapping routes that the new upstarts have entered. It's a similar concept to yield management. The day Crandall introduced yield management, Peoples Express was done. Crandall new that he didn't have to match Peoples Express rates on every seat, just some. That concept spelled the end for Peoples Express. Likewise, in todays market, the majors don't need to slash fares in all their markets, just the ones that they want to compete with the new LCC on. In the meantime, the majors can maintain their premium fares on the overwhelming number of markets that the new upstarts don't service.
 
Predatory pricing

Sounds like predatory pricing to me. And you know what happens when an airline does this. That's right, 8 months later the DOJ says "Hey, stop that this instant".
 
Here we go again! Fare Wars, Peanut fares, buy one ticket get a free ticket for your parnter.

Well maybe this time the giants have the passengers fly for free. Sheesh, let's go for broke.
 
N1atEcon said:
Let me get this right. The major airlines, whom are all ready bleeding red ink, are going to slash fares and induce a fare war to drive the low cost carriers out of business. Ha ha ha rofl...
What if the low cost carriers fought back and slashed fares to drive the majors out of business. .

The fact is that pricing strategy doesn't always work, for two reasons. The first is that a major has to have a huge war chest to handle a major fare sale big enough to drive out a LCC. The only one with enough dough right now is Delta, and they were only successful in driving JetBlue to cut some flights on one route.

The second reason is that the product offering has to be better, and in some cases that is not working either. In the NY-FL market JetBlue has a $30 pricing PREMIMUM over Delta/Song, while having a huge load factor advantage as well. So far I would say the pricing strategy is doing more harm to Delta than JetBlue.

It will be very interesting to see how the similar situation plays out with United and Frontier in the Denver market. I don't think United has a big enough war chest to make a huge impact on Frontier. We shall see. What will be most interesting is to see if the new United LCC product can have the distinctive quality and style of a Song or JetBlue.

The next two years will be VERY interesting in the world of aviation.

Skirt
 
Ch. 11 carriers routinely dump tickets to generate cash. Word is that UAL is doing that now.

The problem with declaring war on a LCC is that you have to be willing to take casualties and none of the big boys can justify that now. They are at full power, high deck angle and near the stall.(How's that for an aviation-geek metaphor?)

No one has the cash to do anything and this is the perfect time for the LCC's to gain their foothold in the 'major's' backyards.TC
 
Skirt,

Delta obviously scared Jetblue away from the ATL-LGB market. Oh yeah, Jetblue said that they could better use those planes on other routes......Anyways....I know that Jetblue has a good product and Song is trying to do the same, and if youlooked at my last Song post, they are trying. The cold Winter in the NE will push people towards FLA, and Song and Jetblue will have a good competition, with both probably winning. I know that Jetblue has "invaded" BOS, and there will be some lower fares that will affect Song, but the limiting factor for Jetblue right now is lack of new planes (Yes, they are getting more each month--with EMB-190s coming too), and lack of gate space---unless they can get a new terminal (like the JFK terminal they got) at each new city. Delta and USAir etc.. have had a large presence in a lot of these NE cities, and now they just have to work on the quality of their product(which Song is trying to do--with techno gadgets and sushi etc...). It will be interesting, but atleast Delta is trying to combat the LCCs.


Pickle,

Yeah, that kind of sounds like predatory pricing---but what about when AA started sending F100s into Dallas Love to combat Legend airlines(with their 50 passenger DC-9s)? They flew to LGA, MDW, and LAX out of Love Field, and then Legend went away. AA kept flying those routes for about 6 months to appease the FEDs, and then stopped. I haven't heard anything about them since. Love Field is the loser, along with Legend.

Bye Bye--General Lee:cool: :rolleyes:
 
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Re: Predatory pricing

Pickle said:
Sounds like predatory pricing to me. And you know what happens when an airline does this. That's right, 8 months later the DOJ says "Hey, stop that this instant".

Well I guess that all depends on how you define predatory pricing.:D
 
American and Crandall hurt Peoples Express with a BETTER PRODUCT--nicer jets, better food, better service at a GOOD price.

I dare say AA, DAL, and United do NOT offer a better product than do Air Tran or JetBlue. TVs in every seat at JB...NICE seats in business class for 25 bucks more at AT...these companies ARE NOT bargain basement carriers with 20 year old 727s. In fact, the 717 is about the nicest ride for a 1-2 hour jaunt I've seen, and the JB TV makes the time pass by pretty fast.

Customer service? YGTBSM! The majors may be getting "religion" now, but in the gridlock days of 2000 they were all notoriously horrible. The good service by the upstarts in the 2001-2003 period has generated a product loyalty that the majors gave up when they started maginalizing service.

Also...you want to do "predatory pricing" while asking Uncle Sam for handouts/loans/guarantees, etc? You can bet your local politicians will get an earful from the LCC leadership on that issue--doesn't seem fair to ask for tax dollars on one hand and then drive another company to its knees (and create lost jobs) while the taxpayers subsidize your endevour.

Will the majors rebound some and compete for markets? I say absolutely. However--look at the SWA and JetBlue market cap. Getting in a race to lose money to make the other guy blink will be the death of the major that tries--the LCCs can outlast you and raise capital, increase market share, and keep their customers in such an environment. United and AA largely drove away the walk up business customer after the 2000 stock bubble burst, and winning them back is going to take a lot more than just a lower fare.

Of course...I may be wrong. I fly AF jets and cargo for FDX...so what the heck do I know.
 
Exactly

Majors need to remember that the service is another thing customers look at when purchasing a ticket.
On a LCC, I get good prices with good attitudes and service.
At a major, I'm afraid to ask how much it costs and afraid to ask customer service for information.
Over at LAX the other day, I asked a simple question to a Delta skycap. Where to check-in for an international flight?
He said "over there, can't you read"
Yes I can read but I thought it would be faster if I just asked instead of searching the whole terminal. SHEESH.......
 
Market capitalization does not equal cash. DAL cash far exceeds JBLU's. If DAL is able to install TVs in it's Song product, aswell as the internet connections, pay per view and other high tech gizmos, the Song product will provide more inflight choices than JBLU. Song will be able to offer a superior frequent flier program, superior inflight entertainment and a broader market at an equivalent price. JBLU maintenance cost, according to Forbes Magazine, will soon start increasing to the tune of 25%/aircraft or approximately $1.6million per year per aircraft as their fleet comes out of warranty. These will be interesting times.
 
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Greyhound,

Do we even employ those skycaps? I don't think so. But, that was rude. I would have said something to one of the ticket counter people---we don't need people like that talking that way to our customers. I would have told him something also....

Bye Bye--General Lee:cool: :rolleyes:
 

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