Getting out?

[LAFrequentflyer]

Seinfeld,

Were you stationed at Travis??

-LA

 

[L'il J.Seinfeld]

nope.

 

[Vingus]

I got out because the future looked alot less fun than my past.

You know, the typical "Gotta make everyone an O-6" carreer path. Less flying the line, more BS desk jobs supervising whiny Es or, even worse, civilian secretaries.

Plus, I spent my last tour in AETC, flying my butt off, but at least I was home every night. Looking at going back to a tanker unit and being strapped to AEF was not my idea of a good time. The above posts were spot on about having a wife and kids sure does change your priorities. As a snot nosed ROTC student, I sure thought the 30 yr AF carreer sounded appealing, but as a 37 yr husband/father of 2, not so much.

Personally, my wife was also getting sick of the constant moves and new friends and house routine. Not to mention the fact that she was sick of living in BFE all the time. Some of us are not from the farm and like city life. Oh, and she liked having her husband around too once and a while.

But I have to say, the airlines does not have the same feel as the AF. You lose that squadron commaraderie that I had, being that I fly with a new guy almost every time. Try to have a nice chat for a 3 day trip then say , "see ya in 6 months". Kinda weird, I must say. I think that this is the airlines dirty little secret. So you focus on the the little things that keep you happy. Like flirting with the cute FAs (I don't touch BTW), making a customer smile or laugh, a good restaurant or hotel on a layover, or your schedules flexibility and days off with lots of family time (unless you commute).

Just my two cents.

 

[pilotyip]

This subject has been gone over a bunch of times; you can do a search. Remember you do not join the military service to fly, you join to serve your country to fulfill the needs of the President by flying. You serve at the pleasure of the President. You will not fly that much in the Military unless you go to a conflict, Although Army WO's does stay in the cockpit more than any other service, and there is tons of office duties and family separation. In 11 years of Navy Active duty I got 2500 hours, 800 in 6 months during Vietnam, then averaged under 200 hrs a year. I was gone from home for nearly 4 years. Saw my son for about 11 months between his birth, which I almost missed, and his third birthday. If you go into fly, you will have a 10-11 year obligation, which as an officer will include at least 3-4 years of not flying and doing office duties, or standing phone watches at a command center evening and weekends. It is not a lot of flying. I got out because of a RIF of Viet Nam era pilots in the mid 70's. I was told if I wanted to stay I needed to get into non-flying career path. I got out and a year later the Navy is so short of pilots they are begging pilots to come back on active duty. It was a fantastic adventure and I would not change that part of career for any reason.

 

[Keydet]

Ditto most of what Pilotyip just said. If I had decided to stay in, I'd be in a non-flying job right now. Worse, after that, I'd go back to a dying community (VP) that has a severe vacuum right now of quality leaders. The experiences of being in a P-3 squadron these days can best be summed up by viewing the movie "Office Space". So far, commuting to the airline job hasn't been a lot of fun, but I'll gladly do it a few days a month versus sitting in Masirah, Kuwait, Misawa, or Okinawa for 6 months cranking out useless powerpoint presentations or other "TPS" reports.

 

[Ninja]

Retirement

Gents, I just recently retired - at just over 40 years old - and although it was tough, sometimes very tough - 42K + per year (for life with annual cost of living increases) and family healthcare is a nice payback. It is sad what is happening to many of my bros who made a decision to get out and I wish them all the best. To the young guys, look around...in general do you see any retired military pilots not doing OK financially?

 

[qmaster3]

I got out because the future looked alot less fun than my past.

You know, the typical "Gotta make everyone an O-6" carreer path. Less flying the line, more BS desk jobs supervising whiny Es or, even worse, civilian secretaries.

Plus, I spent my last tour in AETC, flying my butt off, but at least I was home every night. Looking at going back to a tanker unit and being strapped to AEF was not my idea of a good time. The above posts were spot on about having a wife and kids sure does change your priorities. As a snot nosed ROTC student, I sure thought the 30 yr AF carreer sounded appealing, but as a 37 yr husband/father of 2, not so much.

Personally, my wife was also getting sick of the constant moves and new friends and house routine. Not to mention the fact that she was sick of living in BFE all the time. Some of us are not from the farm and like city life. Oh, and she liked having her husband around too once and a while.

But I have to say, the airlines does not have the same feel as the AF. You lose that squadron commaraderie that I had, being that I fly with a new guy almost every time. Try to have a nice chat for a 3 day trip then say , "see ya in 6 months". Kinda weird, I must say. I think that this is the airlines dirty little secret. So you focus on the the little things that keep you happy. Like flirting with the cute FAs (I don't touch BTW), making a customer smile or laugh, a good restaurant or hotel on a layover, or your schedules flexibility and days off with lots of family time (unless you commute).

Just my two cents.

I remember you whining when your wife had my aftertaste in her mouth!

 

[Ih8AFYesmen]

Per Ninja: "To the young guys, look around...in general do you see any retired military pilots not doing OK financially?"
I never thought I'd say this but Ninja is correct. A nice retirement/pension plan, these days, is something to seriously consider. If you can stand 20 years in the military, it's a very good choice; that retirement will come in handy during turbulent times in the airlines and when the times are good, consider that $ bonus. The only draw back that I can think of going to the airlines after spending 20 years on active duty is the age thing; most, if not all of the dudes in your hiring pool will be younger than you. I for one could not stand another day on active duty for the reasons stated in previous posts, but if you can take the $hit then I'd recommend doing 20.

Regarding "whiney E's"..... they must have been wannabe pilots. I'm pretty sure that whining is a prerequisite to be a pilot, especially in the airlines. Without whining, the cockpit can be a very quiet place!

 

[L'il J.Seinfeld]

I equate the Air Force pilot bonus with the question "Will you accept 1 million bucks in lieu of watching your children grow up."

An O-5 pension is around 35k not 42 and in either case is not worth me missing my kid's childhood. And on a final note, the thought of females with a mentally and physically deabilitating illness getting promoted to BG soley due to her gender is disgusting. One has to look only at the current crop of woeful O-6s in AMC to get a gist of politics in the Air Force.

The USAF, especially AMC, has morphed into a corporate culture of sucking up and repeating the party line. Our forefathers, Lemay, Dolittle, Spatz, and pioneers like Daugherty, Skantz and later on Fogleman have got to be heartsick with the current regime. Independent thought is crushed and discouraged and the only thing that lower level CCs are allowed to do are the things the Wg CC wants done to help get her promoted.

Most O-3s have been deployed nearly 300 days a year since 9/11 but the reported average is below 150 because the Wing Queens and her myriad of execs who aren't even current in the aircraft are factored in. Shame on the leadership for putting their career's ahead of the mission and the welfare of the troops. Thank God for UPS/FedEx/SWA and the business world who rewards innovation, creativity, and independent thought.

One should not stay AD because he/she fears the unknown. Take a chance! Anyone who is smart and works hard will have more success and a better QOL in the airlines or civilian world than in the USAF

 

[MaxTorque]

I am leaving the Coast Guard only because I have done 22 years and it is time to go do something else while I still have some years left. I loved it and would do it all over again. Good equipment, well maintained (the mechanics that fix the planes also fly in them as aircrew), a great mission, and good guys & gals to fly with. After 3 or 4 years in a spot my family kind of looked forward to seeing something else. I will admit that as the years rolled by the moving was less enjoyable. The job does change as you make rank and the CG doesn't have an official LDO program.

Unlike the DOD folks, we don't routinely have long deployments, a couple of weeks max. Standing the 24 hour ready every 4-6 days bugs some, but it is the real deal when you get awakened in the middle of the night to go get someone. The 65 pilots do occasionally deploy on the back of a Cutter for 6-10 weeks a pop.

CG's future is looking pretty good. The HH60s and reengined 65s are in good shape; The Herc is timeless (but the center wingbox issue looms), the HU-25 Falcon will be phased out for a CASA turboprop before long. I think we are going to be opening the direct commission pipeline a little wider in the nearterm for any DOD folks that want to come over. Also the competition for flight training has not been as stiff lately for the folks just starting.

Max