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Getting Info From Both Sides

Lumpsum

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Have you visited the www.voteforFlexjet.com website?
There is a ton of information regarding this vote at Flexjet.
You owe it to yourself to get info from both sides of this issue.
This is an excerpt from that website regarding union dues;

Teamsters' original stance

We are not going to fire anybody over dues. We are going to treat these guys just like we have in the past, no one is going to get fired.
What they're saying now

The IBT Treasurer is sending dozens of letters each month demanding that the termination process commences for Flexjet Pilots over non-payment of dues, sometimes for as little as a few dollars. The IBT routinely refuses to explain its calculations to the Pilots and provides no avenue to address issues other than going to private arbitration (costing the Pilot thousands of dollars).
The Company's constant stance

The Teamsters should be transparent with Pilots on dues and treat Pilots with respect. The Union should always work with Pilots on resolving dues issues rather than sending a non-stop barrage of notices to the Company demanding the termination of Pilots.
 

GlorifiedCabbie

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WHO CARES? You're so cheap you are worrying about 1.5%??? The company lets the lawyers suck millions out of this company when that money would be better spent on your pilots. You have made your choice and the company will have to live with that decision.
 

Honorstudent

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Lumpy sounds an aweful lot like PD. How about this, the fact that the executive board took the unpresidented step of voting to give dues forgiveness, also any member wishing to view any financial records may do so at the local office during normal business ours Monday through Friday. I am a MIGS and the 1.56% it costs me is well worth it. Another little fact you may find interesting Lumpy is 75% of Union dues stays with the local where if we were ALPA as I understand it only 25% would stay at the local level, but then again you guy,s have stated you aren’t interested in any representation, soooo as I have stated before I have been there and I have worked for THIS MANAGMENT both with and without a Union and I would not want to be here without a union and that is why I made a very intelligent and informed decision to vote for the IBT 1108.
 

cougar12

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Lumpy,
You have to be Management or very simple minded pilot.
The IBT treasurer has no choice but to send those letters it is in the contract. Sending those letters merely begins a process. The process allows a pilot a chance to have his/her questions and concerns addressed. In the end, said pilot will be either paying dues, a maintenance fee equivalent to dues or face termination by the Company. Failure to send those letters is a failure to represent all the other pilots that are paying their dues.
The Union cannot fire any pilot only the Company can. The Company agreed to the process above and signed the Contract.
It is just plain selfish and immature to not pay your dues because the vote didn’t go your way. Pilots not paying their dues and the fact the company is not following the procedure set forth in the contract are only going to help the Teamsters if they choose to go to court for breach of contract.
 

EnFuego

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Lumpy, that site is a management sponsored, management written, built to interfere in this vote site. There is NO "information" on that site. There is ONLY PROPAGANDA written by, for, and to the advantage of management. If you are a pilot, you owe it to yourself to vote Yes for IBT Airline Division. But you are VP of red label. You aren't a pilot. You haven't been one of us for a very long time.
 

Hogprint

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Lump starts threads but never comes back to defend his position? A different management tactic?
 

imacdog

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Come on guys, these paid union busters stick out like a sore thumb.
 

TexasChallenger

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Lumpy,
You have to be Management or very simple minded pilot.
The IBT treasurer has no choice but to send those letters it is in the contract. Sending those letters merely begins a process. The process allows a pilot a chance to have his/her questions and concerns addressed. In the end, said pilot will be either paying dues, a maintenance fee equivalent to dues or face termination by the Company. Failure to send those letters is a failure to represent all the other pilots that are paying their dues.
The Union cannot fire any pilot only the Company can. The Company agreed to the process above and signed the Contract.
It is just plain selfish and immature to not pay your dues because the vote didn’t go your way. Pilots not paying their dues and the fact the company is not following the procedure set forth in the contract are only going to help the Teamsters if they choose to go to court for breach of contract.


Bingo! The Supreme Court ruled that there could not be what it termed “free riders” which laid the foundation for this language to be in the contract. I remember this being explained by GulfGuy a few times in Frank’s porn lounge but of course it didn’t matter as their propaganda has now made it to their propaganda website.
 
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