Getting CFI current

[xdays]

My CFI cert has been expired for quite a while (1975) and after a long airline career I'd like to do some Instructing. Since I've been out of the loop for so long what suggestions would y'all have for me to get current again? Thanks for the help.
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[Slice121]

I believe to renew an expired cert you can go thru a DPE. You can also add on an instructor rating that will rehack your clock.

 

[nosehair]

1975?...Welcome back! You have one of the old CFI certificates which just has "Airplane", which meant you could instruct airplane instruments if you were instrument rated on your commercial, and multi engine if you were multi on your commercial....wait, maybe that changed in '74....well, anyway, you will need to refresh youself in little airplanes, and take a CFI Re-Instatement ride, which, in your case will probably be almost as extensive as the initial, but, of course, you know how that can vary. If you have one of the old certificates, you will have to take 3 rides: CFI-Airplane Single Engine, Multi Engine, and Instrument. If you took seperate rides back then, and your old CFI certificate has those words, "Single engine", "Multi engine", "Instrument-Airplane", then you will only need to take one ride which will renew all three.
My best advice, besides getting a good seasoned instructor, is to get a current copy of the Flight Instructor PTS, and also the Private and Commercial PTS, and use them to brush up on all reference material indicated in those PTS's.

 

[xdays]

I believe to renew an expired cert you can go thru a DPE. You can also add on an instructor rating that will rehack your clock.

Slice, thanks for the response. Where did you fly the Viper? My son is a Flight Commander in the 55FS at Shaw.

 

[xdays]

1975?...Welcome back! You have one of the old CFI certificates which just has "Airplane", which meant you could instruct airplane instruments if you were instrument rated on your commercial, and multi engine if you were multi on your commercial....wait, maybe that changed in '74....well, anyway, you will need to refresh youself in little airplanes, and take a CFI Re-Instatement ride, which, in your case will probably be almost as extensive as the initial, but, of course, you know how that can vary. If you have one of the old certificates, you will have to take 3 rides: CFI-Airplane Single Engine, Multi Engine, and Instrument. If you took seperate rides back then, and your old CFI certificate has those words, "Single engine", "Multi engine", "Instrument-Airplane", then you will only need to take one ride which will renew all three.
My best advice, besides getting a good seasoned instructor, is to get a current copy of the Flight Instructor PTS, and also the Private and Commercial PTS, and use them to brush up on all reference material indicated in those PTS's.

Nose, thanks for the info. My certificate is a CFI-MEI. I'm heading out to the local airport tomorrow to speak with someone, but I wanted to get some good info before I went there. Again, I appreciate your help.:beer:

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[twighead]

if you mean getting your certificate current again then i'm sure you are aware that the only wat to do that is to take another checkride. if you mean getting yourself current to prepare, then i guess it's time to crack the books. the gleim cfi maneuvers and practical test prep book is pretty good. it goes over every area of operation in the CFI PTS .

easiest way maybe would be to get an mei or cfii rating if you don't already have one. the examiner can reinstate your previous instructor if you get an additional rating. however, this may not help since it has been so long since your cert exired. the examiner will probably ask questions about foi and all that fun stuff.

 

[Slice121]

Slice, thanks for the response. Where did you fly the Viper? My son is a Flight Commander in the 55FS at Shaw.

121FS at Andrews.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

I have had to do this a couple times because I keep forgetting to do the online thing. Every time I have found a DPE and it was more of a training ride than a check ride. We would do most of the manuevers, sometimes him performing and me observing, and a oral but It was a lot about technique, prior experience, changes in the regs and such. I always worry more about it than it actually turns out to be.

SS

 

[AAflyer]

My CFI cert has been expired for quite a while (1975) and after a long airline career I'd like to do some Instructing. Since I've been out of the loop for so long what suggestions would y'all have for me to get current again? Thanks for the help.
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I was in your boat till very recently, I ended up adding on an MEI, that ride revalidated my CFII. If you decide to take the ride again, you CAN do it with a DPE, it does not have to be the FAA.

PM, if you like I will give you my number, be more than happy to talk with you and tell you how I went about it and that stuff I learned on they way.

Welcome back, it is a lot fun...

AA

 

[xdays]

Thank you all for your help. It's been a long time since I've flown under VFR and I'm really looking forward to doing so. AAflyer knows what I'm talking about! Y'all have to keep in mind that the last time I instructed, Class B airspace was called a TCA and Class C was a Control Zone!! A lot has changed . Thanks again, guys.

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[Slice121]

Thank you all for your help. It's been a long time since I've flown under VFR and I'm really looking forward to doing so. AAflyer knows what I'm talking about! Y'all have to keep in mind that the last time I instructed, Class B airspace was called a TCA and Class C was a Control Zone!! A lot has changed . Thanks again, guys.

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Wasn't Class C an ARSA back then? Then there was the PCA and TRSA's too. The good old days when SA's had temps in degrees F!

 

[JAFI]

xdays, Much has changed since 1975. Allow me to provide some reference materal. AC 61.65E
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/2E1337FC395E0A33862570D0005EA8A2?OpenDocument

I recommend the William Kershner books on student, commercial, and instrument instruction. Well written, easy to understand, great pictures and some cartoons.

Good luck and I hope you have some fun at teaching again.

JAFI

 

[xdays]

Wasn't Class C an ARSA back then?

Slice, you're challenging a 30 year memory here, but I believe you are correct. Was it the present Class D that was referred to as a Control Zone?

The good old days when SA's had temps in degrees F!

You mean the Sequence reports

 

[xdays]

I recommend the William Kershner books on student, commercial, and instrument instruction. Well written, easy to understand, great pictures and some cartoons.

Good luck and I hope you have some fun at teaching again.

JAFI

Man, JAFI that guys been around forever! Thanks for the link.

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[JAFI]

Man, JAFI that guys been around forever! Thanks for the link.

X

That is true. The teaching points he wrote about have not changed. A good tech writer is worth his/her weight in gold.

I recommend that you sit through (audit) an initial CFI ground school. You may be supprised what you can pick up. Every time I watch a ground school presentation I always pick up something I forgot or saw a new way of teaching a concept. As Instructors we need to network more with other instructors. There is too much good information that should be shared for the benifit of all the students.

JAFI

 

[xdays]

I recommend that you sit through (audit) an initial CFI ground school. You may be supprised what you can pick up. Every time I watch a ground school presentation I always pick up something I forgot or saw a new way of teaching a concept. As Instructors we need to network more with other instructors. There is too much good information that should be shared for the benifit of all the students.

JAFI

JAFI, the day I can't learn something new about flying is the day I will forever remain outside the cockpit. I know it's a cliche, but this business changes too fast for us not to be constantly learning. I plan on doing as you recommend because it's the fair thing to do to myself and my future students.

 

[JAFI]

xdays, I agree completly.

JAFI


Who dares to teach must never cease to learn. --- John Cotton Dana 1856-1929, American librarian and museum director

 

[ComputerGuy]

Slice, you're challenging a 30 year memory here, but I believe you are correct. Was it the present Class D that was referred to as a Control Zone?

You're close....

The present Class D airspace was called the Airport Traffic Area. Control Zones were the extensions to the airport traffic area. (The ATA was not depicted on the sectional back then like it is now, so you only had the dashed line around the airport if it was nonstandard, i.e. it wasn't just out to a 5 statute mile radius around the airport. At least I THINK it was 5 statute miles, anyway....)