Getting a minor in consumption

[Alex429595]

Just out of curiousity, how bad does getting a minor in consumption (underage drinking) hurt your career? I ask, because I have a lot of friends who drink, and I have always shyed away from it, afraid of ruining my career.

 

[Cardinal]

I can't quantify any impact, but you might as well get used to looking at the clock (calendar, in your case) before you tip one back. That's how the rest of your life will be spent. Alcohol related violations among pilots aren't exactly the hip thing these days.

 

[Boondock Saint]

Just out of curiousity, how bad does getting a minor in consumption (underage drinking) hurt your career? I ask, because I have a lot of friends who drink, and I have always shyed away from it, afraid of ruining my career.

Personally I would just double major in something business. Minors are pretty useless.





On a serious note you have a good head on your shoulders for already thinking about potential consequences to your actions and your career. With things as crazy as they are right now you want to be absolutely spotless in the future. Not to say something on your record would destroy your chances...but why take the chance right?

Dont close all doors for fear, but be responsible. Should you elect not to drink (or at least until you are of age) good for you...dont let anyone pressure you otherwise. Should you decide to participate just be careful.

 

[FN FAL]

Just out of curiousity, how bad does getting a minor in consumption (underage drinking) hurt your career? I ask, because I have a lot of friends who drink, and I have always shyed away from it, afraid of ruining my career.

If you're underaged, don't drink...it's against the law. If you're of voting age and you don't think that law is fair, vote.

I joined the navy at age 17 and drank with my friends in bars and the enlisted mens club until I turned 18. In our state, at that time, 18 for beer/21 for liquor.

The funny thing was that most places would just see the military I.D. card and just wave me in thinking I was 18. The really funny part was how many times I got carded a month from by birthday and was turned away or told I could enter, but not purchase alcohol.

It's different times now. DUI penalties are stiffer and the under-aged drinking issue is a big crusade. Personally, I think if you are old enough to be drafted or join the military, vote and be tried in criminal court as an adult...you should be treated as an adult. Meaning, if you were allowed to drink at 18 and you screw up, you pay the price just like every other adult out there.

 

[Alex429595]

If you're underaged, don't drink...it's against the law. If you're of voting age and you don't think that law is fair, vote.

I joined the navy at age 17 and drank with my friends in bars and the enlisted mens club until I turned 18. In our state, at that time, 18 for beer/21 for liquor.

The funny thing was that most places would just see the military I.D. card and just wave me in thinking I was 18. The really funny part was how many times I got carded a month from by birthday and was turned away or told I could enter, but not purchase alcohol.

It's different times now. DUI penalties are stiffer and the under-aged drinking issue is a big crusade. Personally, I think if you are old enough to be drafted or join the military, vote and be tried in criminal court as an adult...you should be treated as an adult. Meaning, if you were allowed to drink at 18 and you screw up, you pay the price just like every other adult out there.

Thanks for the replies guys. Just to clarify, I am talking purely about the risk of getting caught drinking, NOT driving. DUI's are a whole different ballgame, and no one of any age should be doing that.

 

[RichardRambone]

Are you kidding? Drinking and pilots go together like Michael Jackson and little boys. Just don't walk out of your 19 and over bar with a drink in hand or down the street with a case in hand. Keep it under wraps.

 

[machaf]

Just out of curiousity, how bad does getting a minor in consumption (underage drinking) hurt your career? I ask, because I have a lot of friends who drink, and I have always shyed away from it, afraid of ruining my career.

Keep in mind that in some states when you get an MIP/MIC they suspend your drivers license (Even if you were not driving). Then you must report it to the FAA. I don't think North Dakota does this.

I know there is nothing else to do in ND but drink. If you decide to, just be smart about it. Don't walk down University Ave drunk. Stay the night at the frat or dorm room where you were drinking.

 

[501261]

Just out of curiousity, how bad does getting a minor in consumption (underage drinking) hurt your career? I ask, because I have a lot of friends who drink, and I have always shyed away from it, afraid of ruining my career.

It's great that you are responsible enough to think of the consquenses. On the other hand you're only going to be underage in college once, ENJOY IT!

 

[G2T]

Keep in mind that in some states when you get an MIP/MIC they suspend your drivers license (Even if you were not driving). Then you must report it to the FAA. I don't think North Dakota does this.

I know there is nothing else to do in ND but drink. If you decide to, just be smart about it. Don't walk down University Ave drunk. Stay the night at the frat or dorm room where you were drinking.

If ND suspended licenses for MIP/MIC we would not have a surplus of people waiting in line for regional airline jobs!

 

[AWACO]

I encourage any and all activity that will keep you out of the industry. See you are blinded / confused about this business and anything that will force you to consider a different career path is a good thing. I know this is harsh but I am sure you will not quit flight training on your own accord.

 

[BORAT]

If you're over 18 and you get an MIC/MIP, potential employers will see it unless you somehow dodge the charge. Community Service & a fine usually erases the offence for first timers. I think an MIP might also make travelling into Canada a difficulty. I know that a DUI pretty much bars you from entering Canada because its a felony up there. I think you can gain entry wit a good lawyer and some major paperwork but it will be expensive and time consuming.

Just avoid the "big" parties that you know are going to be busted, and be careful about your drinking in College. If you want to have a career as a pilot, DO NOT GET A FAKE ID. It's not worth the risk. Getting caught with a Fake ID carries stiff penalties now days, fraud, MIP/MIC, and a few others. Getting that on your record will screw your career up when its time for the background check, plus the TSA will deny you acess to secure areas.

Have fun

 

[great cornholio]

Are you kidding? Drinking and pilots go together like Michael Jackson and little boys.

Thats the funniest thing I've seen on here in a while.

 

[FN FAL]

Thanks for the replies guys. Just to clarify, I am talking purely about the risk of getting caught drinking, NOT driving. DUI's are a whole different ballgame, and no one of any age should be doing that.

So, it's o.k. to violate the cute and fuzzy laws?

 

[Occam's Razor]

Note: If you get fingerprinted when you are charged, all the "removed from your record" promises are worthless. There WILL be a record of the fingerprinting, the date, and the charge. The adjudication might not appear...but the basic elements will. This is true of getting printed for charges that are later dismissed, dropped, or lead to your aquittal. The FBI (and others) get everything now, at cable modem speed.

The variable in this mix is how thorough your potential employer is in their background check. If it's a "security sensitive" job that does business with the government...the database will cough up your name.

If it's pulling Squishies at Quikie Mart...you're cool.

 

[501261]

Here's the reality, people get too caught up in stupid stuff.

People make mistakes, especially young people, it's part of growing up. An MIP will most likely keep you from getting a good quality job in the NEAR future. Of course being young will (i.e. inexperienced) will keep you from getting a good job in the next couple of years. And yes having an MIP/MIC might keep you from getting a job with Fedex/Southwest, or a F100 company, in the next couple of years.

Will a recent MIP prevent you from getting a job at Mesa/TSA, or a charter company, probably not.

After a few years (5-10), that MIP/MIC isn't going to matter, it may even turn to a positive. It will show you learned from your mistakes, of course this is provided you didn't make any other mistakes, and you didn't DUI!

Hell I'd rather hire someone with an MIP, than some of these 10,000 hour jet captains (i.e.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...5827&q=landing).

 

[FN FAL]

The variable in this mix is how thorough your potential employer is in their background check. If it's a "security sensitive" job that does business with the government...the database will cough up your name.

If it's pulling Squishies at Quikie Mart...you're cool.

background check, smackground check, it doesn't even have to go that far. let's talk moral dilemmas and slippery slopes. First it's o.k. to underage drink and accept the risk, then it's o.k. to take students up in moderate icing in a 172 for night cross country instructional flights and share the risk. Next thing you know, it's o.k. to be a check airman, Parker 51 a check ride while out doing aerobatics in a Beech 99 you don't own.

 

[Occam's Razor]

background check, smackground check, it doesn't even have to go that far. let's talk moral dilemmas and slippery slopes. First it's o.k. to underage drink and accept the risk, then it's o.k. to take students up in moderate icing in a 172 for night cross country instructional flights and share the risk. Next thing you know, it's o.k. to be a check airman, Parker 51 a check ride while out doing aerobatics in a Beech 99 you don't own.

Good point!

I was addressing the technical aspect of the issue. The Information Age has made it difficult for anybody to have "amnesia" about things they may or may not have done in their "reckless youth".

The moral issue is the easy part. Accountablity...what a concept!

 

[Foties]

Dude,

One of the main reasons I got a pilot slot in the guard was because I had a "minor in consumption". I was so freaked out when they asked me about it in the interview. After I explained the situation they laughed at me. Yes I had my stuff together but trust me, as a pilot having sat on hiring boards. A huge factor is, "Do we want to hang with this guy?" Some guys don't drink and we respect that. But most guys in my unit enjoy having a good time on the road. We all have made mistakes, one huge thing is don't show a trend with multiple violations and DON"T EVER GET A DUI.

Good Luck.

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[J.C.Airborne]

I encourage any and all activity that will keep you out of the industry. See you are blinded / confused about this business and anything that will force you to consider a different career path is a good thing. I know this is harsh but I am sure you will not quit flight training on your own accord.

I am fairly confident he will not quit his flight training on your accord either. Here is my rant on this issue: You probably grew up wanting to be a pilot, you used to tell people your "i have a dream" speech about how your more "alive" when your in the air than you are when your on the ground, how your a fish out of water on the ground. You went out, you got your private pilot certificate (yippee, hurrah!) your a pilot you have achieved your dream. You go through more training its all kosher...its just dandy...in fact everything appears to be going swimmingly...then all of a sudden 20 years down the road it hits you! My Gosh! This Job Sucks! I SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS, or i SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT with my life.

well here is the thing....YOU DIDNT...and you cant change that so GET OVER IT! You chose your route in life and you have to accept its consequences whether for the good or the bad. Grass is always greener on the other side. Quit your whinning...suck it up...and make the most out of what life has handed to you and the lemonade you made with those lemons. You have to roll with the punches, and sure being a career pilot may have its disadvantages...its dissapointments...its trials...tribulations...the like...but it also has its moments of absolute beauty...like when your at FL 330 and the sun is leaving the horizon...what about those moments when you flying through clouds that are just beautiful. There are trials in any job...do the ends justify the means? Some say yes...some say no...but whatever your opinion is...just quit bitching about it because none of us want to hear how you made the wrong decisions in life. Each one of us must chose our own paths.

*please keep in mind this rant was not intended solely for the poster in which i am replying to, but in a general sense to any burned out pilot out there who thinks they could have done better for themselves*

 

[Resocha]

Just out of curiousity, how bad does getting a minor in consumption (underage drinking) hurt your career? I ask, because I have a lot of friends who drink, and I have always shyed away from it, afraid of ruining my career.

You won't ruin your career by drinking, but you may affect your career by making poor decisions while drinking. Be responsible, that's all. It's not the fact that someone drinks, or the quantity they drink, but it's the stupid sh!t they do while drinking that affects their career.

 

[NW_Pilot]

If you're underaged, don't drink...it's against the law. If you're of voting age and you don't think that law is fair, vote.

I joined the navy at age 17 and drank with my friends in bars and the enlisted mens club until I turned 18. In our state, at that time, 18 for beer/21 for liquor.

The funny thing was that most places would just see the military I.D. card and just wave me in thinking I was 18. The really funny part was how many times I got carded a month from by birthday and was turned away or told I could enter, but not purchase alcohol.

It's different times now. DUI penalties are stiffer and the under-aged drinking issue is a big crusade. Personally, I think if you are old enough to be drafted or join the military, vote and be tried in criminal court as an adult...you should be treated as an adult. Meaning, if you were allowed to drink at 18 and you screw up, you pay the price just like every other adult out there.

I agree FN when the hell is a young person an adult 17, 18 or 21 I think the same as you set an age say 18 call it good.

 

[FN FAL]

I agree FN when the hell is a young person an adult 17, 18 or 21 I think the same as you set an age say 18 call it good.

They can waive you into adult court at age 15.

 

[FN FAL]

You won't ruin your career by drinking, but you may affect your career by making poor decisions while drinking. Be responsible, that's all. It's not the fact that someone drinks, or the quantity they drink, but it's the stupid sh!t they do while drinking that affects their career.

That's just it, he's not asking about damage control from something that happened last week, he's asking us to do his risk assesment for what's going to happen, should he violate the law.

That's two different things.

I went and looked in our state statutes and there is a suspension/revocation of the drivers license for underage drinking, the schedule starts at 30/90 days for the first violation. Subsequent violations are scheduled at 1 year suspension and 2 year revocation.

 

[doug_or]

So, it's o.k. to violate the cute and fuzzy laws?

are you the guy going 55 in the left lane?

 

[getrad]

background check, smackground check, it doesn't even have to go that far. let's talk moral dilemmas and slippery slopes. First it's o.k. to underage drink and accept the risk, then it's o.k. to take students up in moderate icing in a 172 for night cross country instructional flights and share the risk. Next thing you know, it's o.k. to be a check airman, Parker 51 a check ride while out doing aerobatics in a Beech 99 you don't own.

EN FAL I have enjoyed your input in this discussion so far but let's talk about slippery slopes. A "slippery slope arugument" is by no means universially unutrue, but the strength of the argument relies on the causal strength of the connections between steps. If the causal connections between steps are weak, or even unknown, then the resulting argument will be very weak, if not downright untrue. I disagree with the argument that someone who has a beer when they are 18 years old is more likely to become a reckless check airman.

Cheers