Game On! at US Airways

[Oh-ryan]

Dude, when I say "Let's shoot the ILS" it's just an expression!

Put that thing away for heaven's sake!

 

[CatfishVT9]

I like the program but I sure know a bunch of them that shouldn't be carrying a gun. There's one in our crashpad and I try to never turn my back on him......

 

[Kharma Police]

Yea, those FedEx pilots all lived because they all could defend themselves from an ax, if that same idiot had a gun, those 3 pilots would all be dead in 3 quick shots, so my point is that yes there is an ax that you at least have a chance to defend yourself against, but what defense do you have to a gun? None, it would be quick.

As to this incident, What if that bullet hit the windshild at altitude? think about that, rapid decom., and possible crash all do to pilot error, I hope that I am not on that flight

Just like the other guy said, pilots should just stick to flying, too many things happen and can go wrong just flying, worrying about shooting someone in the cabin should not be the pilots job, we are trained to fly not shoot people, that is why the door should not be opened, and as I stated, no other country allows its pilots to carry guns, so for you FFDO's that think that the US will force other countries to allow us to carry weapons, keep dreaming

The only reason Auburn Calloway (FedEx wacko) didn't use a gun was to let the investigators think it was an accident, not a murder/suicide. His thinking was that bullet holes would have shown up during the post mortem investigation.

 

[CaravanMan]

Dude, when I say "Let's shoot the ILS" it's just an expression!

Put that thing away for heaven's sake!

LOL :laugh::laugh:

 

[Wiskey Driver]

Yea, those FedEx pilots all lived because they all could defend themselves from an ax, if that same idiot had a gun, those 3 pilots would all be dead in 3 quick shots, so my point is that yes there is an ax that you at least have a chance to defend yourself against, but what defense do you have to a gun? None, it would be quick.

As to this incident, What if that bullet hit the windshild at altitude? think about that, rapid decom., and possible crash all do to pilot error, I hope that I am not on that flight

Just like the other guy said, pilots should just stick to flying, too many things happen and can go wrong just flying, worrying about shooting someone in the cabin should not be the pilots job, we are trained to fly not shoot people, that is why the door should not be opened, and as I stated, no other country allows its pilots to carry guns, so for you FFDO's that think that the US will force other countries to allow us to carry weapons, keep dreaming

Ok I understand your point and I contend that had the FFDO program been in effect on Sept 10th then we would remember Sept 11 as the day that followed because the terrorists would have been shot and killed and the twin towers would still be standing today!!

No system is ever going to be perfect that much is for sure but with that 40cal at your side you sure can level the playing field. Many of those guys are taught hand to hand combat most of todays pilots are not. I say keep the firearms and teach the idiots how to use them properly.

Now this would have never happend if the program didn't have some of those dumb a$$ restrictions. Allow the pilots to keep the firearm on at all times then there would be no need to store between flights. All that handling of the firearm is what caused this. TSA needs to get it's head out of it's rear and reasses this policy.

WD

 

[Ticker]

name one other airline in the world that allows guns in the cockpit, the answer is easy NONE not even El El allows its pilots to carry guns in the cockpit, and thay have someone trying to blow them up daily, so why are we any different? Plus, an FFDO is not allowed to carry a gun Int'l, if anything, using it on an int'l flight is more of a plus than domestic, but no other country will allow a pilot to carry a gun in the cockpit, so what is the point, to look cool having a gun, I am not against guns, I own 3, I just don't believe a gun belongs in a cockpit.

Plus the idea that just because you are an FFDO excludes you from having your bags go through the x-ray machine is pure BS, what makes them so special, that makes it too easy for one of them to transport illegal stuff, that day will come, then things will change again

I dare say El Al's security protocalls are far more thorough than ours. They were consulted after 9/11 and gave up on us. Our leaders didn't have the stones to make the changes outlined by El Al. So now we have the same people who let the haji's through on 9/11 hasseling pilots.

Name another country that had 4 airliners used as flying bombs in a one day coordinated attack.

El Al has far better security on each and every flight. The FAM's are on less than 10% of US flights.

The FFDO program is addressing international flights and getting agreements and protocalls established with other countries. FFDO's will be there soon. 9/11 planes we all know were domestic flights.

Who said anything about looking cool? The gun is concealed. Period. We have no idea of the circumstances behind this incident.

I'll bet a million dollars you wouldn't hang a "Gun Free Cockpit" sign on your door or the door of the airliner you or your family was on.

Plus the idea that just because you are an FFDO excludes you from having your bags go through the x-ray machine is pure BS, what makes them so special, that makes it too easy for one of them to transport illegal stuff, that day will come, then things will change again

Any professional pilot could find dozens of ways to circumvent security if they wanted to. I highly doubt that there's a risk of FFDO smugglers.

 

[Ticker]

Guns left the cockpit long before 2001. The FAR's and CAR's never addressed the issue. What ended it was the X-raying of our Flight Kit bags by security. That started some time after the frequent diversions to Cuba started. A long time ago.

I didn't say pilots were packing, I said it was in the FAR's...and it was. Something like..."unless authorized by the certificate holder (airline), no pilot may have in their possession on the flight deck." It had been there ever since the first Mail flights.

There was a fairly substantial re-write of the regs in the late 90's, 2000 or early 2001 and that particular part of the reg was removed. Prior to that, it was in there. Sorry, I don't collect out of date FAR books. You'll have to prove me wrong on that one.

...and yes, you are correct...the guy who told me about when he carried was flying through the 60's and 70's.

 

[dash8driver]

no other country allows its pilots to carry guns

thats awesome reasoning! i cant wait to be like everyone else!

 

[get2flyin]

The cardinal rule for FFDO's, "Don't take the gun out of the holster unless A) You're at home and you need to load or clean it. B) You're on a private or public range practicing. C) You're on the flight-deck as a working pilot and a threat is entering the cockpit. PERIOD!"

It doesn't go off when it's in the holster. End of story. This genius just couldn't keep his hands off of it. I say he gets thrown out of the program and gets the boot from USAir.

Don't worry, ALPA will get him his job back. Wait, USAPA will save his jo......oops, never mind.

 

[Ticker]

It doesn't go off when it's in the holster. End of story. This genius just couldn't keep his hands off of it. I say he gets thrown out of the program and gets the boot from USAir.

Couldn't agree more.

Don't worry, ALPA will get him his job back. Wait, USAPA will save his jo......oops, never mind.

Man I hope you're wrong!

 

[viper548]

Was this an eastie or westie?

 

[Muppets]

Every FFDO I fly with has the same douchbag attitude....
1. They think all middle eastern people are out to get them.
2. They think Osama and his friends are locking in on their MCO-DFW turn
3. They think they are Bruce Willis in Die Hard 12, carrying 137 rounds of ammo
4. They think they get through security faster, while in reality they wait for Barney Fife to come over from concourse Z, while Im already at the gate.
5. "Im protecting my constitutional rights" - moron


In reality.....if Osama wants to take down another he will pay your ramper 30,000 to throw his "backpack" on the flight. How well is your gun with 137 rounds work now?

 

[Kharma Police]

Every FFDO I fly with has the same douchbag attitude....
1. They think all middle eastern people are out to get them.
2. They think Osama and his friends are locking in on their MCO-DFW turn
3. They think they are Bruce Willis in Die Hard 12, carrying 137 rounds of ammo
4. They think they get through security faster, while in reality they wait for Barney Fife to come over from concourse Z, while Im already at the gate.
5. "Im protecting my constitutional rights" - moron


In reality.....if Osama wants to take down another he will pay your ramper 30,000 to throw his "backpack" on the flight. How well is your gun with 137 rounds work now?

Guns don't kill people, I kill people.......

 

[Ticker]

Every FFDO I fly with has the same douchbag attitude....
1. They think all middle eastern people are out to get them.
2. They think Osama and his friends are locking in on their MCO-DFW turn
3. They think they are Bruce Willis in Die Hard 12, carrying 137 rounds of ammo
4. They think they get through security faster, while in reality they wait for Barney Fife to come over from concourse Z, while Im already at the gate.
5. "Im protecting my constitutional rights" - moron.

Funny, the FFDO's I've met are exactly the opposite. If you think someone wanting to protect his constitutional rights is a moron, you could always emigrate to Venezuela. 'Ol Hugo's looking for a few good sheep.

In reality.....if Osama wants to take down another he will pay your ramper 30,000 to throw his "backpack" on the flight. How well is your gun with 137 rounds work now?

Maybe, maybe not.

Our airlines ARE being probed. They have been since 9/11. The FFDO program was devised as a last ditch effort to protect the airplane from being taken over. If another US airliner is taken over, our military will shoot it down. Kookie Cokie Roberts was posed with this same point and she still couldn't bring herself to admit that the FFDO program is better idea than an airliner being used as a manned missile or being shot down "because I just don't like guns".

 

[Ticker]

Dude, when I say "Let's shoot the ILS" it's just an expression!

Put that thing away for heaven's sake!

Now thats funny!!! :beer: