G0Jets pilots unanimously vote in Teamsters

[Lear70]

Press Release

Source: International Brotherhood of Teamsters
************************* Pilots Unanimously Choose Teamster Representation
Friday February 24, 2:33 pm ET Contract Negotiations Under Way for Approximately 100 Pilots
WASHINGTON, Feb. 24 /PRNewswire/ -- In an impressive show of solidarity, pilots voting in a representation election at ************************* Airlines unanimously chose Teamsters representation. The National Mediation Board (NMB) tallied votes on February 23, ensuring that Local 618 is the bargaining representative for the approximately 100 pilots at the new regional-carrier airline.

"We looked at eight different unions and found that Teamsters had the best qualifications," said Eric Oberst, a 17-year pilot who has flown for ************************* since March 2005. "************************* is a regional carrier and, with contracts negotiated for pilots at similar carriers, such as Chautauqua and Horizon, it was clear that the Teamsters understood our needs."

"Everyone is real happy with the outcome," said Dan Heumann, Teamsters Local 618 President. "We have worked with the pilots since last March and it's great that they were finally able to secure the representation they wanted."
The Teamsters filed for representation with the NMB on September 15, the date ************************* flew its first revenue-generating flight. A petition was filed by another union soon after; this other union received zero votes in the representation election tally.

"We welcome the ************************* pilots into our union," said Don Treichler, director of the Teamsters Airline Division. "It took a considerable amount of time to ensure pilots at ************************* finally receive the opportunity to vote for their union representation but with this vote, ************************* pilots have demonstrated that they want to be Teamsters -- in fact, with this vote, they are Teamsters."
Local 618 is also seeking to represent the approximately 100 ************************* flight attendants.

************************* Airlines is a subsidiary of Trans States Holdings. Based in St. Louis, Missouri, the all-new fleet of 70-seat aircraft operates under the United Express banner. Founded in 1903, the Teamsters Union represents more than 1.4 million hardworking men and women in the United States and Canada.




Source: International Brotherhood of Teamsters

Wonder if ALPA will officially adopt a stance against G0Jet pilots now that they won't be making money off them.

 

[noonan]

I think ALPA is a little too busy with all the bankruptcies to give much of any attention to G*Jepps.

 

[AviatorTx]

I think ALPA is a little too busy with all the bankruptcies to give much of any attention to G*Jepps.

Other than continue being blacklisted from most jumpseats, and hiring at ALPA carriers, you are correct.

 

[noonan]

Now that you brought it up, has anyone denied the jumpseat to a G*JEPP pilot?
It's easy to talk tough on an anonamous board, but another to deny them face to face.

 

[AviatorTx]

No, but only because I have not had one ask yet.

Even behind the veil of anonymity, I can promise that I will stick to my guns on an issue this big.

I did though deny a Freedom pilot back in the day, when that was going on. This is no different.

 

[Drill Sgt. Dad]

I wonder if the other union with zero votes was ALPA?

 

[Frequency]

DELETED. nevermind...

 

[QCappy]

I can tell you that the official stance of the Horizon Air Teamsters is one of anger and embarassment over the Teamsters signing the *************************s scumbags. We will never allow them to have a reciprocal jumpseat with us. They stand for everything wrong in the regional business right now:angryfire

 

[8v8ter]

Qcappy, the TSA pilots appreciate your support.

 

[ReverseSensing]

I can tell you that the official stance of the Horizon Air Teamsters is one of anger and embarassment over the Teamsters signing the *************************s scumbags. We will never allow them to have a reciprocal jumpseat with us. They stand for everything wrong in the regional business right now:angryfire

The embarassment would have been greater had it been Local 747 that organized G0Jets. But the International can, whenever it "deems necessary" let any Local organize any unit. If Local 747 ever tries that crap, the QX Teamsters will be in a (slightly) better position to call BS. Unfortunately, other than express our outrage, there's not much we can do.

 

[Fred Flamebait]

You can vote the f##$r's off the property !

 

[100LL... Again!]

Haha.
You guys take the cake. In ten years no one will care, and they will have moved on, while 8-year FO's at 'quality' airlines will still be waiting for their upgrade.

There is no enforcement method in the industry to keep things fair and to give a disincentive for a GJ-type situation. If I lived in their domicile, I'd probably think about applying. If TSA pilots won their greivance and I was going to get stapled, I'd just leave for something else- no big deal.

It's been 'every man for himself' for years, we've just been pretending it is otherwise.

My guess is that most pilots really don't care. The flightinfo sample is not that meaningful, because most people are go-along-get-along types.

Besides, ALPA forgave an airline FULL of REAL scabs. Sure, maybe they can't jumpseat, but the fact is that they won. ALPA caved, and thought membership numbers trumped principle.

That is the future for the profession, my friends. Scream all you like, but nothing can fix it now. THere was no unity when everyone was growing like crazy a few years ago.

Now, with most pilot groups fearful and paranoid, we are somehow going to focus on the 'greater good'?

Naive. Very.

 

[ReverseSensing]

My guess is that most pilots really don't care. The flightinfo sample is not that meaningful, because most people are go-along-get-along types.

Well, I can't really figure out most of that rant, but I do wholeheartedly agree with this part.

 

[redbook]

Haha.
. If I lived in their domicile, I'd probably think about applying. If TSA pilots won their greivance and I was going to get stapled, I'd just leave for something else- no big deal.

.

...and that is why you are at the point in your career that you would consider going to g0jet... you are a POS. Its filled with people like you. Waiting for the next alter ego scumbag airline that would hire you.

 

[100LL... Again!]

Ever see this?

That sums up my rant, re: the whole GJ and jumpseat hullaballoo.

 

[TSA ERJ]

Who we are from the Local 618 website...

Teamsters Local 618 is a progressive Local which covers a wide range of industries including Freight Carriers, Auto Dealerships, Tank Haulers, Flight Attendants, Airline Fuelers, Rent-a-Car Services, Part Houses, Dial Corporation, Parking Garages, Towing Companies, Service Stations, Chemical Companies, Tire & Rubber Industries and many others.

...including scumbag pilots.
I'm sure you guys will be well represented. Good Luck.

 

[ReverseSensing]

Ever see this?

That sums up my rant, re: the whole GJ and jumpseat hullaballoo.

I'm sure that no one at TSA is in a laughing mood, but I appreciate the image. At the risk of a talon up the ass, I'll stand with the mouse.

What did Gen. Custer say? "Where'd all them fooking indians come from?"

 

[ReverseSensing]

Who we are from the Local 618 website...

Teamsters Local 618 is a progressive Local which covers a wide range of industries including Freight Carriers, Auto Dealerships, Tank Haulers, Flight Attendants, Airline Fuelers, Rent-a-Car Services, Part Houses, Dial Corporation, Parking Garages, Towing Companies, Service Stations, Chemical Companies, Tire & Rubber Industries and many others.

...including scumbag pilots.
I'm sure you guys will be well represented. Good Luck.

Sounds like a ton of airline expertise there. G0Jets management must be trembling in their boots about looking across the negotiating table at 1) the principled members of the Exco; and 2) their industry savy business agent.

[/sarcasm off]

 

[dnkt]

Put some 100LL up your boyfriends a ss scumbag!!!!!

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[flyer172r]

Sounds like a ton of airline expertise there. G0Jets management must be trembling in their boots about looking across the negotiating table at 1) the principled members of the Exco; and 2) their industry savy business agent.

[/sarcasm off]

GJ management is pretty much the same people as TSA management. They're probably looking forward to showing the GJ pilots their true colors when they start negotiating a contract.

 

[100LL... Again!]

Yawn.

Go ahead - fight. Win if you can. More power to you. All I am saying is that the current methods are not producing results that last.

If you keep doing what you always do...

 

[D'Angelo]

The bottom line is this industry is truly every man for himself. We all had the chance to stand together 4-5 years ago and blew it. There will be no consequences for GO JETS pilots. At the end of the day they may get denied the jumpseat once in a while but they will be moving on to other airlines. The bottom line is most people are too busy worrying about their own situation. A lot of people don't even know what GO JETS is. A large majority of pilots do not read this board and do not really care what else is goin on in the industry. In the end theres a lot of talk on here but its all talk. Its a way for people to vent their frustration on the state of the industry. It never does any good but I guess it feels good to let some steam off.

 

[redbook]

There will be no consequences for GJS pilots. At the end of the day they may get denied the jumpseat once in a while but they will be moving on to other airlines. .

there have been consequences and there will continue to be more. Ask any g0jet pilot. ONE went to world, ONE went to blah blah.

How many to Jetblue, airtran and southwest? NONE. Those three airlines have hired dozens of ex tsa pilots in the last year alone. How many to fedex and ups?

G0jet pilots know their sad reality. Pretending its not the case doesn't change the facts.

 

[613ka]

perhaps when the two pilot lists are merged, the majority of pilots (TSA) will give teamsters the boot, vote in ALPA, and this will be a non-issue.

 

[noonan]

The bottom line is this industry is truly every man for himself. We all had the chance to stand together 4-5 years ago and blew it. There will be no consequences for GJS pilots. At the end of the day they may get denied the jumpseat once in a while but they will be moving on to other airlines. The bottom line is most people are too busy worrying about their own situation. A lot of people don't even know what GJS is. A large majority of pilots do not read this board and do not really care what else is goin on in the industry. In the end theres a lot of talk on here but its all talk. Its a way for people to vent their frustration on the state of the industry. It never does any good but I guess it feels good to let some steam off.

My point exactly. Talking with pilots, no one seems to care. They got too many problems in their own backyard to give a s*%t what the neighbor is cooking up.

Even those ones who say they will take a stand and deny the jumpseat feel like they are peeing in a headwind. Definately feel like they are in the minority.

 

[AviatorTx]

perhaps when the two pilot lists are merged, the majority of pilots (TSA) will give teamsters the boot, vote in ALPA, and this will be a non-issue.

The lists NOT being the same is ALL of the problem. The union representation is not the issue at all. Once the lists are merged, GJ can stay Teamsters, it won't be a big deal. Heck, they can join the ACLU, it won't matter anymore.

Also, when the lists ARE merged, the GJ pukes will really get to eat crow. Gear up, and shut up, MF. Just like the Freedom pukes got when they were rightfully absorbed into Mesa.

(In my best Tony Montanna voice) Every dog has his day.

 

[incubus]

oberst. 17 year pilot with 2500 hours most of it swinging gear.

 

[wjpilot]

"oberst. 17 year pilot with 2500 hours most of it swinging gear."

That guy is a JOKE. I flew with him at TSA on the ATR. He is a crybaby b!tch that couldn't find his way out of a wet paper bag. His flying skills,
what a joke!!!

 

[~~~^~~~]

Guys, I thought ALPA actually tried to do the right thing at *************************s and lost the single carrier petition. Is my history wrong?

None the less, ALPA has a serious problem. They have lost 4 out of the last 4 representational votes. The reason is that people know that ALPA has been attacking pilots outside of the few chosen MEC's since the mid nineties. ALPA does not represent all of its members, it just represents the chosen few. The rest of us can eat crow and fight over what ever scraps the minline pilots leave behind after their bargaining is over.

Our local ALPA volunteers are wonderful, hard working, folks. ALPA National is horrible beyond description. Teamsters is not the better alternative, but until ALPA finds its moral compass and a rudder the good ship continues towards the rocks.

My union is closer to collapse than it has ever been in its history. It is because National has completely forgot the basics. That the purpose of unions is to bring pilots together. That the evil that destroys our profession is alter ego replacement labor.

Go Jets is just another mile marker on the path to failure. I'm always hopeful at each Board of Director's meeting that we will toss Duane Woerth and the rest into the seas of retirement, consulting and news commentary.

 

[AviatorTx]

At least ALPA will have a new president by the end of the year. I do not see Woerth getting re-elected.

This will be National's one chance to fix the problems. If this does not happen, I agree, they will lose the rest of the fight.