G0Jet Jumpseaters?

[stage]

WE WANTED TO STRIKE BUT COULDN'T!! Illegal work actions are just that, illegal! Unions in this country have lost their balls!!, and laws protect management!! GOD HELP US ALL!!

I see.

So how does it help you to deny the jumpseat to one of those guys? Or is it just a way to vent frustration, nothing more?

 

[Dumb Pilot]

It makes me laugh every time I hear the Go Jets discussion. Let me see, What exactly are they being crucified for? Oh yes, accepting outsourced jobs that resulted in the loss of jobs at the mainline, Right?
OK Time to face reality folks. Every one of us that rides in a Brand color scheme A/C while there are mainline pilots on furlough falls under that category. ALL OF YOU, ARE GO JETS LIKE!
And before some ALPA Jar head comes up with the "It is different because they negotiated it" BS. Save it. Because a shot gun wedding doesn't make a happy marriage.

NO MORE OUT SOURCING, Period.

 

[POKEY]

It makes me laugh every time I hear the Go Jets discussion. Let me see, What exactly are they being crucified for? Oh yes, accepting outsourced jobs that resulted in the loss of jobs at the mainline, Right?


Not exactly.
To put it simply, the real problem is with TSA Mgt because they created a seperate group of pilots which wasn't necessary other than to whipsaw the TSA pilots. Go Jet pilot pilots are crucified because they made it possible for this to happen.

 

[f/o(forever)]

I see.

So how does it help you to deny the jumpseat to one of those guys? Or is it just a way to vent frustration, nothing more?

If they can't get to work then they can't work. If they can't work then hojet fails! Or maybe the pilots quit all the time so that training costs hulas too much and he see's the error of his ways, I know it's unlikely, but worth the try. I guess the best way to answer your question is with another question. If you were a captain a x airline and worked hard to develope a good rep as a company. And said company was asked to grow. But management didn't want to pay you AVERAGE PAY, so you said no, I wont work for sub standard pay! And then your f/o says hay I'll do it so I can move ahead of you, would you let that scum on your plane??

 

[f/o(forever)]

It makes me laugh every time I hear the Go Jets discussion. Let me see, What exactly are they being crucified for? Oh yes, accepting outsourced jobs that resulted in the loss of jobs at the mainline, Right?
OK Time to face reality folks. Every one of us that rides in a Brand color scheme A/C while there are mainline pilots on furlough falls under that category. ALL OF YOU, ARE GO JETS LIKE!
And before some ALPA Jar head comes up with the "It is different because they negotiated it" BS. Save it. Because a shot gun wedding doesn't make a happy marriage.

NO MORE OUT SOURCING, Period.

How am i like a hojet pilot? I came to TSA when we had turboprops! We only got rj's because mainline pilots said "I WON'T FLY THAT LITTLE JET" Thanks for that!! I wanted to stay at TSA for my whole life! BE INFORMED, NOT STUPID!!

 

[Ready2Fly]

You guys need to realize that it's now looking out for number one. There is no brotherhood. Go jets makes a few$$ less than some other commuters, so what. All commuter jobs suck, they always have and they always will. There is no chance of it ever improving because newbies will always think of it as a stepping stone and don't care much about pay or benefits.

 

[punkpilot48]

So your goal is to make go-jets pilots so miserable that they will all quit, shutting down the go-jets operation, bringing management to its knees, thereby forcing management to give all those 700s to TSA? Is that how it's supposed to work?

Obviously that can't be done. The goal is one list and a deserving contract for a 70 seater a/c.

 

[stage]

If they can't get to work then they can't work. If they can't work then hojet fails! Or maybe the pilots quit all the time so that training costs hulas too much and he see's the error of his ways, I know it's unlikely, but worth the try. I guess the best way to answer your question is with another question. If you were a captain a x airline and worked hard to develope a good rep as a company. And said company was asked to grow. But management didn't want to pay you AVERAGE PAY, so you said no, I wont work for sub standard pay! And then your f/o says hay I'll do it so I can move ahead of you, would you let that scum on your plane??

The bottom line is you gave me the choice first. If I turn it down, then why should I get mad at somebody that accepted the offer?

That's like me dumping a girl that I didnt want anymore, but then getting mad at the new boyfriend for stooping low enough to put up with her ishhht. I made a choice, he made a choice, and we both have to live with our choices.

 

[sniper]

Well I am sorry that we work in an industry where management does not care about their employees. We are all just a number and expendable. I'm sorry if the truth hurts. Its reality! I think in the future there will be more and more like GJ and there's nothing we can do about it. As long as there's a will, there's going to be a way that management will screw us. I'm sure the pilot group at TSA did everything they could from preventing GJ from happening but yet GJ are flying passengers around as we speak. The only thing you guys are doing is just hurting your fellow pilots that need to get to work and feed their families.

TSA pilots have kids to feed as well, they do not have dogs.

You people took their jobs. If you want to feed your family go to home depot, they are hiring and do not undercut others.

By the way, I am not a TSA pilot and never was.

I think ALL Blowjet pilots are ethical Bankrupt..........Period.

Good luck.

 

[temcgrew]

I hope everyone knows now that TSH is furloughing pilots, as well as displacing J41 captains to the right seat of the EMB. Why hire pilots off the street when they knew this was coming down the pipe? It is simple, to get around the union contract.

Some of the J41 captains could be flying the 700's for more money under the original TSA contract instead of being displaced to the right seat of the EMB for less money. The G0jet situation would not have been a big deal if the company would have let their own pilots fly the planes. The leverage the company had was the fact that MANY MANY guys were willing to take a job making LESS money flying a 70 seater than TSA pays for 50 seat aircraft.

It was THOSE GUYS who undercut all of us.

20 pilots are furloughed.
15 (approx) displaced to lower pay.

plenty of g0jet pilots wanting to be replacement workers for those jobs we should have.

I do not want those guys in the same room as me, much less than in the cockpit with me. I was standing in line at security talking to someone about the whole deal, you know PAY CUTS, LAYOFFS ETC....when a g0jet guy comes bouncing up with a big smile on his face. This was the first time I had ever seen any of those guys and the fact that he was bouncing around all happy and clueless with the gloomy mood around the TSA crewroom just made my blood boil.

Every one in this industry should not get a warm fuzzy feeling around those guys because if YOUR COMPANY did this, those guys wouldn't think twice about using YOUR HARD WORK as a stepping stone to get a seniority number out of the rank and file that we deal with every day of our career!!

Do you want a creep like that with you?

not me.

 

[pilotbrain]

First of all TSA is furloughing 20 pilot that where in ground school because they were pumping up there pilots for the COEX flying, so when they did get the flying they had no work for them.

Second, you guys had five chances let me repeat that 5 chances to fly the CRJ700 and you turned it down 5 time. Grow a sack and move on with you decision like ALPA did.

Third of all, no one give a rats ass about TSA OR G0jet. Except the 6 people on flightinfo that keep bring up the same points up. (Time to change your screen names so people think more pilot care, Move on.) ​

And why your pilots that are being furloughed and cant be hired at G0jet, it because your pilot group never wanted the flying from the start ​

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CONCLUSION ​

The Board finds that TSA and ************************* are not operating as a single transportation system for representation purposes under the RLA for the craft or class of Pilots. Accordingly, ALPA’s application in File No. CR-6885 is converted to NMB Case No. R-7069 and dismissed.




Fourth I lessened in on your little ALPA meeting over the phone last week: sound like ALPA doesn’t support TSA on the G0jet matter any more.

 

[pilotbrain]

First of all TSA is furloughing 20 pilot that where in ground school because they were pumping up there pilots for the COEX flying, so when they did get the flying they had no work for them.

Second, you guys had five chances let me repeat that 5 chances to fly the CRJ700 and you turned it down 5 time. Grow a sack and move on with you decision like ALPA did.

Third of all, no one give a rats ass about TSA OR G0jet. Except the 6 people on flightinfo that keep bring up the same points. (Time to change your screen names so people think more pilot care), Move on. ​

And why your pilots that are being furloughed and cant be hired at G0jet, it because your pilot group never wanted the flying from the start ​

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CONCLUSION ​

The Board finds that TSA and ************************* are not operating as a single transportation system for representation purposes under the RLA for the craft or class of Pilots. Accordingly, ALPA’s application in File No. CR-6885 is converted to NMB Case No. R-7069 and dismissed.




Fourth I lessened in on your little ALPA meeting over the phone last week: sound like ALPA doesn’t support TSA on the G0jet matter any more.

 

[Nindiri]

If they have a reciprocal jumpseat agreement with my company, they get on. If they don't have one, they don't get on. End of story on my flights; the last thing I'm interested in is some FO "educating" me.

 

[airjackson]

Fourth I lessened in on your little ALPA meeting over the phone last week: sound like ALPA doesn’t support TSA on the G0jet matter any more.

Lessened?

 

[punkpilot48]

First of all TSA is furloughing 20 pilot that where in ground school because they were pumping up there pilots for the COEX flying,

No one was in ground school when the furlough had happend. They canceled the up coming class when the COEX annoucement was made and in the last class to go through there was only 8 new hires.

Don't make up your own statistics it does not help your case.

 

[spiffomatic]

Pilotbrain,

First, excellent use of font, bold type and several examples of incorrect grammar in your comments. Genius. Nothing like getting a useless and incorrect point across LOUDLY. It's like static on the radio.

You are entirely incorrect about the scope of the problem, or the volume of people infuriated by this. Head over to Flight Safety St Louis where gj pilots are training and note the large number of people who simply won't talk to them. They're ostracized there, in crew rooms, and via the decent chunk of people who won't offer them a js. Tough to find another group, other than scabs, who are so frequently denied a ride.

Second, TSA was not "ramping up" for possible COEX flying. That flying and possible transfer of jets was not to happen until the end of the year. You don't "ramp up" for something several seasons away. CHQ had not had plans to do anything for months based on that contract other than start interviewing more.

With that sort of an attitude, you have got to work there, no?

Long story short - you are just plain wrong.

 

[Lav Service]

Pilotbrain, you're a tool. It seems that a most of the people you flew with at CAT thought you were too. BTW FDX has your name and isn't interested.

 

[f/o(forever)]

Second, you guys had five chances let me repeat that 5 chances to fly the CRJ700 and you turned it down 5 time. Grow a sack and move on with you decision like ALPA did.

Third of all, no one give a rats ass about TSA OR G0jet. Except the 6 people on flightinfo that keep bring up the same points. (Time to change your screen names so people think more pilot care), Move on.

And why your pilots that are being furloughed and cant be hired at G0jet, it because your pilot group never wanted the flying from the start ​

CONCLUSION ​

The Board finds that TSA and ************************* are not operating as a single transportation system for representation purposes under the RLA for the craft or class of Pilots. Accordingly, ALPA’s application in File No. CR-6885 is converted to NMB Case No. R-7069 and dismissed.

I VOTED ONCE ON A SH!T CONTRACT YU HOJET SCUM!! Few more than 6 idiot! Never wanted the flying? That is like saying, I didn't what the gold because I wouldn't let someone hit me with a gold baseball bat! NMB Just because they say it is so doesn't make it so!! If TSA where to wear anti coex badge backers ( not that we would my brothers!) I'm pretty sure our chief pilot would not come into our class and make us not wear them!! WHY?? SEPERATE COMPANIES!!! If a TSA pilot sneezes at a hojet pilot we get a memo on professionalism!! SO DON'T KEEP SINGING THE SEPERATE COMPANIES B.S. I DON'T BUY OR DRINK THAT COOLAID!!!!!!!

 

[spiffomatic]

Pilotbrain,

Do you work at g0jets? Just answer honestly.

Because that would explain everything.

As a disclaimer, I don't work for either company involved, and I am appalled at those who would work for g0jets. It's kind of like watching a drug addict steal from his own family to feed his short-term desires.

 

[f/o(forever)]

The bottom line is you gave me the choice first. If I turn it down, then why should I get mad at somebody that accepted the offer?

That's like me dumping a girl that I didnt want anymore, but then getting mad at the new boyfriend for stooping low enough to put up with her ishhht. I made a choice, he made a choice, and we both have to live with our choices.

I gave you the choice first?? what?? And your logic with the girl friend doesn't hold. It's more like having a wife that you put all your love and time into then a smooth talker comes along and tricks her into leaving you. You will pay the ultimate price !! enjoy!!

 

[redbook]

Third of all, no one give a rats ass about TSA OR G0jet. Except the 6 people on flightinfo that keep bring up the same points up. (Time to change your screen names so people think more pilot care, Move on.)

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You g0jet scumbags expend a great deal of time "proving" that "no one give a rats ass".

Sorry pardner. I guess you are so anxious about your miserable fate that you keep telling each other, "its going to be ok!".

As far as the change screen names tactic, well, that sounds like a page out of your playbook. "more plot care"!

Move on, you say. We will. You won't.

 

[stage]

And said company was asked to grow. But management didn't want to pay you AVERAGE PAY, so you said no, I wont work for sub standard pay! And then your f/o says hay I'll do it so I can move ahead of you, would you let that scum on your plane??

Looks like I had choice right there in your example, sir. If I turned down the flying, I shouldnt get mad that somebody else took them up on the offer.

It's a cold, cold world out there, and it's a shame when we think we are entitled to something (i.e. flying, bytchy girlfriend, etc) just because we are who we are. No matter who we fly for, the point is that we are still working for somebody else, and that 'somebody else' makes decisions that are in the best interest of their own azz, and then in the best interest of the company, in that order. This shouldnt be a surprise to anybody that has been in this industry for any length of time.

However, I will be starting a "STAGE Income Replacement Fund" that er'body can contribute to to keep me from applying to go-jets. I will refrain from applying to go-jets in the best interest of your family, if you guys contribute to the Fund in the best interest of my family.

 

[redbook]

Looks like I had choice right there in your example, sir. If I turned down the flying, I shouldnt get mad that somebody else took them up on the offer.

We didn't "turn down the flying". We voted against it being used as a cudgel to smash us over the heads. Should you choose to join an outift that was designed as a whipsaw alter ego carrier, for the express purpose to lower our standards, after years of hard work, then you will earn our lifetime enmity.

Sorry no smiley face.

 

[redbook]

It's a cold, cold world out there, and it's a shame when we think we are entitled to something (i.e. flying, bytchy girlfriend, etc) just because we are who we are. No matter who we fly for, the point is that we are still working for somebody else, and that 'somebody else' makes decisions that are in the best interest of their own azz, and then in the best interest of the company, in that order. This shouldnt be a surprise to anybody that has been in this industry for any length of time.

ANybody who has been in the industy knows what an alter ego carrier is and the consequences of joining such an outift. Shouldn't be a surprise.

Go tell the fedex guys that they are not "entitled" to the A380 "flying" either. Tell them that it is "cold cold". See how they treat you.

 

[redbook]

However, I will be starting a "STAGE Income Replacement Fund" that er'body can contribute to to keep me from applying to go-jets. I will refrain from applying to go-jets in the best interest of your family, if you guys contribute to the Fund in the best interest of my family.

No thanks, no extortion necessary. Make your decision as you see fit. Join an alter ego whipsaw carrier if you wish, if that is in the best interest of your family.

 

[D'Angelo]

Dont worry Go-Jets guys. If you do get denied a jumpseat then do the following. Pull an ID-90 out of your bag, if there are seats and time goto the gate and get a seat. Then board the aircraft without introducing yourself. Then as you deplane tell the Captain thanks for the ride prick, you really need a better brand of peanuts though. When he screams about how you abused his authority simply show him the ID-90 and tell him to kiss your butt and have a nice day.

 

[punkpilot48]

Dont worry Go-Jets guys. If you do get denied a jumpseat then do the following. Pull an ID-90 out of your bag, if there are seats and time goto the gate and get a seat. Then board the aircraft without introducing yourself. Then as you deplane tell the Captain thanks for the ride prick, you really need a better brand of peanuts though. When he screams about how you abused his authority simply show him the ID-90 and tell him to kiss your butt and have a nice day.

If the captain says no its trespassing. All you need is a witness.

 

[redbook]

Dont worry Go-Jets guys. If you do get denied a jumpseat then do the following. Pull an ID-90 out of your bag, if there are seats and time goto the gate and get a seat. Then board the aircraft without introducing yourself. Then as you deplane tell the Captain thanks for the ride prick, you really need a better brand of peanuts though. When he screams about how you abused his authority simply show him the ID-90 and tell him to kiss your butt and have a nice day.

I was hoping for this. With friends like D'Angelo, g0jet guys, things are looking up!

 

[D'Angelo]

If the captain says no its trespassing. All you need is a witness.

It isn't trespassing if its a legal and valid pass. ID-90s and non-revs do NOT need captain permission to board. Only jumpseaters do.

 

[punkpilot48]

If the captian deny's boarding the passenger has no right to be on the airplane. Its called PIC authority.