Future DL Boeing orders? Yeah, right? Right?

[General Lee]

Boeing in Delta deal? http://money.cnn.com/1997/03/11/deals/boeing/boeing.02.jpg

Plane maker hopes to get airline to sign exclusive jetliner agreement
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http://i.cnn.net/money/images/dot.gifhttp://i.cnn.net/money/images/dot.gifNEW YORK (CNBN) - Boeing Co. is reportedly in talks with Delta Air Lines in the hopes of working out an agreement in which the carrier would buy all of its future jetliners from the aerospace giant.
Delta is finalizing the decision process as to whether it wants to buy as many as 100 aircraft valued at $6 billion, the Wall Street Journal said Saturday.
Both Boeing and Brasil's Embraer Co. have been working hard to secure the contract and Boeing has indicated that it expects a decision to be made soon.
Neither the Seattle-based Boeing nor Delta would comment on the talks.
Delta was expected to place an order for about two dozen large Boeing 787 DreamLiner's valued at about $2.7 billion. It is also considering buying another 70 or more smaller airliners, such as Boeing's 737-600 or Embraer's E190, valued at about $3.3 billion.
But in recent talks, Boeing has been pushing to get Delta into an agreement under which the carrier would buy all jet aircraft from Boeing at guaranteed prices, the Journal said.
Boeing secured such an agreement earlier this week with Virgin America, which signed an initial deal to acquire 103 jets valued at $6.5 billion. That agreement also included "purchase rights" for Virgin America to buy an additional 427 airplanes at guaranteed prices if Delta were to liquidate.
Boeing's stock finished down 1/4 to 106-1/8 Monday on the New York Stock Exchange, while Delta Air Lines' stock closed at .63, a gain of .02.





Could this be a bogus article? Who knows, but we need to focus on current scope issues. Erosion of scope equals a NOPE. BTW, I think this is a fake article.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[GogglesPisano]

I thought Virgin America went with Airbus.

Any scope details yet, General? How about recalls?

 

[81Horse]

... Neither the Seattle-based Boeing ...

Chicago.

Management wanted to move farther away from labor -- at least beyond the range of high-powered hunting rifles. (Their other strategy is to move labor farther away ... like, as far as China.)

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[General Lee]

I thought Virgin America went with Airbus.

Any scope details yet, General? How about recalls?

We won't know until the MEC allows us to see the TA, which Moak said could be Thursday. Plenty of leaks out there, but we don't know if they are credible. You obvioulsy know my RJ stance by now.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[benjakes]

General,

It is obviously a fake article. Look at the date in the link.

What is your true motivation for posting it?

 

[Stealthh21]

Yes, what is your motivation? Why would Delta order airplanes? I didn't think that delta even owned any of the paper clips, or staplers?

 

[General Lee]

General,

It is obviously a fake article. Look at the date in the link.

What is your true motivation for posting it?

I thought it was fake, and I stated that twice in my response. I saw the article, fake or not, and then posted it to see reaction. Look at my title to the thread. Easy on your conspiracy theories.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[sweptback]

Not to mention that Boeing already had an exclusive deal with Delta (along with CO and AA), but Airbus whined and they were nullified.

 

[benjakes]

General Lee,

I am calling you out a little bit becuase I repect your passion. What I don't understand is by allowing management to keep ASA (B4)/Comair seperate from Delta, you allow them to continually beat you over the head.

Why do you not see the only chance you have to reserect some of your income is to embrace your regional brothers and stand United with them?

By not doing it, your pay erodes faster than if it did. It is your union who is causing the seperation. Why allow it?

 

[General Lee]

General Lee,

I am calling you out a little bit becuase I repect your passion. What I don't understand is by allowing management to keep ASA (B4)/Comair seperate from Delta, you allow them to continually beat you over the head.

Why do you not see the only chance you have to reserect some of your income is to embrace your regional brothers and stand United with them?

By not doing it, your pay erodes faster than if it did. It is your union who is causing the seperation. Why allow it?

We didn't have the power to staple Comair/ASA to our list, which we probably would have liked. When we started to talk to them about a possibility of that, they demaded date of hire. They may say that is not true, but I know the actual Comair System chief pilot from that time period (he went on to DL) and he said that was true, they wouldn't accept anything less. And, Delta wanted to keep them all separate so they could whipsaw everyone against eachother. Why won't SkyWest merge right now with ASA? That would save a lot on management costs---but they won't do it.

I do support my regional brothers, until they make bonehead mistakes like going for growth over common sense. SkyWest did that, without a real gun to their head, and accepted one pay rate for any jet from 50-99 seats. That changed the regional industry, and then Comair had to follow the lead while in court. That wasn't Dalpa or ALPA's fault. SkyWest has neither.

My union is fighting to keep our flying. We have shrunk while the regionals have expanded, yet we still lost $11 billion in 5 years. My union will either speak for me, or I will vote them out. They are still working to protect as much as they can, but I will vote to protect my job and others below me.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[rjcap]

We didn't have the power to staple Comair/ASA to our list, which we probably would have liked. When we started to talk to them about a possibility of that, they demaded date of hire. They may say that is not true, but I know the actual Comair System chief pilot from that time period (he went on to DL) and he said that was true, they wouldn't accept anything less. And, Delta wanted to keep them all separate so they could whipsaw everyone against eachother. Why won't SkyWest merge right now with ASA? That would save a lot on management costs---but they won't do it.

I was under the impression that the ALPA seniority integration language would never have allowed date of hire due to differences in equipment size and pay rates. The best that could have ever obtained by the regionals was a staple.

I know. A friend of a friend of the airport janitor said we demanded date of hire.

I do support my regional brothers, until they make bonehead mistakes like going for growth over common sense. SkyWest did that, without a real gun to their head, and accepted one pay rate for any jet from 50-99 seats. That changed the regional industry, and then Comair had to follow the lead while in court. That wasn't Dalpa or ALPA's fault. SkyWest has neither.

Since when have the regional pilots at ASA ever dictated equipment type or growth? We have operated under the thrashing of our own mgmt and its constant abuse with absolutely no help from ALPA national or the mainline Delta boys.

Before you start calling us boneheads maybe you should get your own house in order.

My union is fighting to keep our flying. We have shrunk while the regionals have expanded, yet we still lost $11 billion in 5 years. My union will either speak for me, or I will vote them out. They are still working to protect as much as they can, but I will vote to protect my job and others below me.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Those are tough words. "Vote them out."

That's music to mgmt's ears. Classic divide and conquer.

Nevertheless, good luck with the TA outcome.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

General Lee,

I am calling you out a little bit becuase I repect your passion. What I don't understand is by allowing management to keep ASA (B4)/Comair seperate from Delta, you allow them to continually beat you over the head.

Why do you not see the only chance you have to reserect some of your income is to embrace your regional brothers and stand United with them?

By not doing it, your pay erodes faster than if it did. It is your union who is causing the seperation. Why allow it?

Ben,

Sounds like a little bit of begging on your part. My "brothers" seemed to put a boot in my eye when I was furloughed. A lot of you said "we don't want Delta pilots in our cockpits" (ASA not included.....right on guys!!) You and your righteous crusaders are more than welcome to start a list right behind Troy Kane, he's the last guy on the Delta mainline seniority list who also is on the street while DCI grows and grows. Have at it. What part of our QOL or pay should we give up so you can be "embraced"????

You guys can do your best to "Embrace your regional brothers" over at Chitaco and Freedom. What's that??? Ohhhhh, that's YOUR flying, I forgot. Kinda sounds like what the mainline guys have been saying all along. Good goes around!!!!

 

[General Lee]

I was under the impression that the ALPA seniority integration language would never have allowed date of hire due to differences in equipment size and pay rates. The best that could have ever obtained by the regionals was a staple.

I know. A friend of a friend of the airport janitor said we demanded date of hire.



Since when have the regional pilots at ASA ever dictated equipment type or growth? We have operated under the thrashing of our own mgmt and its constant abuse with absolutely no help from ALPA national or the mainline Delta boys.

Before you start calling us boneheads maybe you should get your own house in order.



Those are tough words. "Vote them out."

That's music to mgmt's ears. Classic divide and conquer.

Nevertheless, good luck with the TA outcome.

Thanks for the good luck. We are getting our house in order, and the MEC will vote to see if they should send it to us, and then if we have to, we will decide it. And, you do know who I am talking about--the ex system chief pilot of Comair. I guess he is lying..... I flew him on our jumpseat from MCO to CVG (he went to DL Express in MCO) and we talked all about it. Yeah, he must have been lying out of his a$$..... He was only your SYSTEM CHIEF PILOT. (not the janitor)

SkyWest demaded growth over common sense, not ASA. I just asked the guy why ASA and SkyWest haven't merged lists yet? The answer is whipsaw, and that isn't ALPA's fault.



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[rjcap]

Thanks for the good luck. We are getting our house in order, and the MEC will vote to see if they should send it to us, and then if we have to, we will decide it. And, you do know who I am talking about--the ex system chief pilot of Comair. I guess he is lying..... I flew him on our jumpseat from MCO to CVG (he went to DL Express in MCO) and we talked all about it. Yeah, he must have been lying out of his a$$..... He was only your SYSTEM CHIEF PILOT. (not the janitor)

SkyWest demaded growth over common sense, not ASA. I just asked the guy why ASA and SkyWest haven't merged lists yet? The answer is whipsaw, and that isn't ALPA's fault.



Bye Bye--General Lee

For the record he was not my System Chief Pilot. I don't even know who your talking about.

Skywest isn't ALPA and their pilot reps don't see fit to press the issue with their mgmt to address the supposed 18 month single payrate that was agreed upon 3-4 years ago when the 700's started operating for Skywest. Don't ask me why. I guess money isn't important in SLC.

 

[jehtplane]

Skywest isn't ALPA and their pilot reps don't see fit to press the issue with their mgmt to address the supposed 18 month single payrate that was agreed upon 3-4 years ago when the 700's started operating for Skywest. Don't ask me why. I guess money isn't important in SLC.

That is because all they care about is getting airplanes and don't care who they step on to do it