FSS helps disoriented private pilot

[mattfish42]

Hi Booker. My apologies for not getting the story quite right. Looks like my memory isn't as good as I thought it was. I'd fly with you in a heartbeat. (Especially if it's in that new plane!)

 

[Ted Striker]

Booker

The biggest thing is that we ALL learn from it. The only tragedy in a mistake is when no one learns anything. You have cajones for coming on here and admitting it's you. Take all the lessons you can from it and apply them to later flights. Always try to learn from others mistakes so you don't repeat them. Good luck to you, glad you are still with us!

 

[singlespeed]

Holy crap man that's every flight express pilot on the first day going to Iowa. Anyone thats worked for that company knows that run in the winter $ucks the big one.

 

[EUT]

I've Been there....

Booker4 -

My hats off to you for owning up to an almost lethal mistake. I am among the LUCKY cadre of people who have crashed a plane and lived to tell about it. And from that day on I have NEVER disparaged another pilot for the decisions he made, (or the radio calls). This I know with certainty... Unless you were there in the cockpit, noone can ever adequately second-guess what you did. We are all pilots and therefore Alpha-males, and most of us like to point to someone else's mistake or misfortune and say "what a dumbass" or " would have never done...." or "He should have done..." But no matter how stupid someones' actions seem to me now, I will never again say those things. Unless you were there you cannot say how you would have reacted. Monday-morning quarterbacks are just that. Let it bother you just enought to prevent you from ever making the same mistake, and not any more.

Happy Landings
EUT

 

[GravityHater]

http://www.cyberair.com/tower/trans/displt.html

I couldn't get the link to work, anyone else?

Also I wonder if some of the panic is *because* of such hype that we have given the issue, such as "178 Seconds"? Not to diminish in any way the seriousness of entering imc when not rated & current. Can things we are made to fear actually contribute to panic, when actually in the situation?

 

[phishn@daves]

I couldn't get the link to work, anyone else?

Also I wonder if some of the panic is *because* of such hype that we have given the issue, such as "178 Seconds"? Not to diminish in any way the seriousness of entering imc when not rated & current. Can things we are made to fear actually contribute to panic, when actually in the situation?

Well...........I think the hype comes from training! On a different note. I was flying tonight, perfect still air, no clouds...........and listening to the yankee game.

ALL OF A SUDDEN............the left fire warning goes off!!!

Well, I look up and say " Are you kidding me?" FO says nothing.

I get adjusted my seat, ready to shut it down, and nervous as hell.......not outwardly obvious.............I hoped!

Turns out he tested the Fire warning system in the air to fool me!

But after the fact I thought to myself that I was just getting ready to shut down an engine, and I would have had he not stopped the bell. He was trying to be funny, but at the same time, I told him that I definately will shut it down next time! So, I think the training of it scares you as much as the result of actually doing it!

I think the point is...........you train your whole life for that moment........when it actually occurs.........how will you react!

Fly safe!

 

[NookyBooky]

I don't want to sound like I'm participating in an AA meeting, but I would like to thank Booker for coming on here and taking responsibility for what happened. It makes the lesson of that tape all the more unforgetable.

It is easy for others to say they would have stayed calm or otherwise handled the situation differently. Many of the people on this board would have handled it better (because half of 'em are professionals). I can't say that I would have handled it differently. But it has convinced me that starting on my IFR training is a much more valuble use of my money (which i do not have much of) than going and racking up some aerobatic instruction in a pitts.

Maybe its because I'm a newbie, but I will never forget that tape. I forgot a gumps check the other day and I was very pissed, even though I have never flown a plane with retracts. Why? because on my 3rd or 4th lesson I saw a guy belly land a seminole while taking his comm check ride. He was probably even more pissed that he forgot his gumps check. No book can teach you that lesson in such an unforgetable way as that tape did.

Whoa, I better stop. It feels wierd saying somthing with out being a wisea$$.

 

[91100 100 set]

phishn@daves, I certainly hope that any efforts to shut down the engine would have been coordinated with your first officer with a checklist or memory items, and the gag would have been revealed before anything was shutdown.

Granted, little jokes like that aren't appropriate. I used to fly with a guy that liked to test the stick shaker on short final. Not cool.

 

[A Squared]

ALL OF A SUDDEN............the left fire warning goes off!!!

Well, I look up and say " Are you kidding me?" FO says nothing.

I get adjusted my seat, ready to shut it down, and nervous as hell.......not outwardly obvious.............I hoped!

Turns out he tested the Fire warning system in the air to fool me!

Yeah, ,that's why the fire warning test buttons are on the captain's side in the DC-6, keeps em out of reach of the f/o

 

[flytheblue]

Why? because on my 3rd or 4th lesson I saw a guy belly land a seminole while taking his comm check ride. He was probably even more pissed that he forgot his gumps check.

Ok, maybe Im the only one wondering why an examiner allowed the guy to belly land a Seminole?!?