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inflightboi175

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http://www.chicagobusiness.com/arti...hwest-frontier-gun-for-chicago-cancun-service

(Crain's) — If Mayor Rahm Emanuel has his way, Chicagoans looking for a winter break in balmy Cancun soon will be able to fly there non-stop from Midway International Airport.

Southwest Airlines Co. has lined up the mayor, House Speaker Michael Madigan, D-Chicago, U.S. Rep. Dan Lipinski, D-Chicago, City Aviation Commissioner Rosemarie Andolino and the Chicagoland Chamber of Commerce behind its bid to provide daily direct flights between Midway and the Mexican resort island, using its wholly owned subsidiary, AirTran Airways Inc.

It would be Midway's first non-stop service to the popular vacation destination and a sign that Dallas-based Southwest, Midway's dominant airline, is intent on expanding from its strictly domestic business model into international markets.

“We all know they've been getting ready,” said Darryl Jenkins, an independent aviation consultant in Marshall, Va. “I guess this is the signal that it's time to start playing. Southwest will bring an awful lot of resources to bear on this.”

But the U.S. Department of Transportation on Monday launched a full-blown review of a competing bid from Denver-based Frontier Airlines Inc., which wants to provide service from O'Hare International Airport as a low-fare alternative to existing Cancun non-stops on United Airlines and American Airlines.

Southwest “doesn't provide the competitive oomph that a low-fare scheduled provider would offer at O'Hare,” said Robert Cohn, an attorney in Washington, D.C., who represents Frontier. “Politically, it's an uphill battle, but substantively, Frontier has a better case.”

Under an aviation agreement with Mexico, only three U.S. airlines are allowed to serve the Chicago-Cancun market, so any changes need federal approval, which is usually routine except for the most coveted routes.

The Chicago-Cancun rights were put up for grabs when Apple Vacations, a discount tour provider based in Newtown Square, Pa., decided to switch airlines, dropping its sister company USA 3000 Airlines, a Philadelphia-based charter operator, in favor of Frontier, which offered to provide service with newer planes, starting Jan. 31. Apple and USA 3000 did not return calls seeking comment.

Frontier originally got approval from AirTran and other airlines late last year to take over the Cancun route, but Southwest soon intervened, saying that the letter requesting approval had gone to AirTran's former counsel by mistake. AirTran was acquired by Southwest last May, but their operations are still not fully integrated.

United, a subsidiary of Chicago-based United Continental Holdings Inc., carried about a third of the nearly 190,000 passengers who flew between Chicago and Cancun last year. USA 3000 and American each had about 25% marketshares, with two Mexican airlines accounting for the rest, according to masFlight Aviation Data provided by Marks Systems Inc., an aviation consulting firm in Bethesda, Md.

The Department of Transportation will award the Cancun route after determining which carrier would provide the most benefits to the flying public, in terms of competition, safety and the ability to sustain traffic on the route. It's unclear what would happen to Apple's charter flights if Southwest wins rights to the route.

“I believe that the daily, year-round non-stop scheduled service proposed by AirTran offers the most sustainable option,” said the mayor's letter to Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood, a close friend of Mr. Emanuel's since they served together in the U.S. House of Representatives in the 2000s.

Southwest declined to comment, but in its filings it argues that Frontier, which currently has only one flight to Midway from Denver, would not have any traffic feeding into O'Hare to support the route. Frontier argues that it would provide larger planes, thus more seats and more competition, in a market where most travelers to Cancun are from the immediate area, making feeder traffic a non-issue.

“I can see both sides,” said Susan Coty, owner of Chicago-based Travel Brokers Inc., which books “thousands” of clients to Mexico annually. But “I'd be thrilled to fly out of Midway to Cancun. It's a lot easier to navigate.”
 
ATA flew non stop from MDW - Cancun every day of the week 10 years ago. This article is retarded.
 
Hope SWA wins it. Far better operation.
 
SWA can't do this for a couple of more years with the progress that is being made with upgrading their dispatch and manifest programs. Airtran 737's will continue with the raft mods and conduct the island campaign as well as the Mexico runs. Plenty of money to be made but a SWA crew will not be doing it for a while.... FAT pilots only for now.
 
Hope SWA wins it. Far better operation.

YGTBSM. SWA is a much more stable company but not nearly as comfortable for these kinds of flights. Plus Frontier has been doing this for a decade very successfully, while SWA has never done it. so I don't get your comment unless your just one of the haters.
 
...and you base this claim on what proof?

I would go with company profitability, route structure, airline dependability(all of the F9 product), pilot pay rates, F9/RAH vs. SW FA quality and the inner workings of RAH management. That is what I would base that claim on. That is just me, and I didn't make the claim. If I did I would definately use these items as my defense of my position though. :)
 
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Im sure the average consumer chooses their airline based on pilot pay...
 
Im not saying F9 is perfect, I would be kidding myself if I did. Don't forget that SWA had humble beginnings. Kind of hypocritical of them to try and use political clout to limit the ability of another airline to do business. Ever heard of the Wright Amendment?
 
The Department of Transportation will award the Cancun route after determining which carrier would provide the most benefits to the flying public, in terms of competition, safety and the ability to sustain traffic on the route.
I suppose that rules out swa from mdw.
 
Yep, anything that continues for 40 years is only thanks to timing and luck.

So, are you telling me Deregulation was completely brainstormed and implemented by SWA? I do believe they have done a good job but a lot has been at the expense of other airlines. I also believe the warrior spirit cult bull******************** is a bunch of malarky. They remind me of some people in the south, sweet to your face, then mother ******************** you behind your back. Just doesnt jive.
 
So, are you telling me Deregulation was completely brainstormed and implemented by SWA? I do believe they have done a good job but a lot has been at the expense of other airlines. I also believe the warrior spirit cult bull******************** is a bunch of malarky. They remind me of some people in the south, sweet to your face, then mother ******************** you behind your back. Just doesnt jive.

Never even remotely suggested that. To say that was to read things that weren't even implied.

No one says you have to buy in to our way of life here at SWA, but it's clear you have no clue about it either.
 
DALLAS, April 5, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- Southwest Airlines (NYSE: LUV - News) today announced that its wholly owned subsidiary AirTran Airways received route authority from the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) to operate new international flights between Chicago Midway International Airport and Cancun International Airport. AirTran will offer one daily nonstop flight between the two cities beginning on June 3, 2012, subject to Mexican government approval. The flights can be booked today at www.airtran.com.
"We are excited to offer all AirTran Airways Customers this new opportunity to travel to Mexico," said Bob Jordan, Southwest Airlines' Executive Vice President and Chief Commercial Officer and AirTran Airways President. "The additional international service to Cancun is a great example of how Customers are already realizing the benefits of Southwest's acquisition of AirTran."
With a current average of 246 daily departures at Chicago Midway, the combined AirTran/Southwest is the second largest carrier in the Chicago region. AirTran and Southwest currently operate nonstop service between Chicago Midway and a total of 58 cities.
Southwest and AirTran express their sincere gratitude to the DOT for awarding this authority to AirTran, and to the City of Chicago for its enthusiastic support of the new service
 
...and I quote from Texas Monthly - March 2012 "Luv & War"

"Braniff once undercut Southwest by offering a $13 fare between Houston and Dallas,..."

Kelleher then, "pointed out that Braniff was trying to drive Southwest out of business, and as it turned out, Braniff and Texas International Airlines were both indicted in 1975 for scheming to do precisely that."

It's called predatory, pricing which seems to be SWA's M.O. lately among other things.

SWA, the hypocritical airline? I think so!
 
SWA's M.O. lately among other things
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If your so sure about this claim then I hope you present it to BB so you can take it to court.

Some of you guys got what you wanted, some didn't. Sad for all the res and maint people though.




Employees and supporters of Frontier Airlines are rallying today in downtown Denver to help preserve the hometown air carrier.
Called "Save the Animals" in reference to the critters on Frontier planes' tails, the rally began at noon with a "peaceful demonstration" at Mayor John Hickenlooper's office.
The group, togged out in Frontier uniforms and gear with cow bells, whistles and hula hoops, is walking down the 16th Street Mall.
"We want the citizens of Denver to throw their support behind our great organization," the website savefrontier.org states.
Monday is the deadline for binding bids to acquire Frontier, which filed for bankruptcy in April 2008. If there are two or more bids, an auction will be held beginning Tuesday.
Indianapolis-based Republic Airways Holdings offered in late June to acquire Frontier for $108.7 million, saying it planned to operate Frontier as usual.
Last week, Southwest Airlines submitted a nonbinding proposal of $113.6 million.
Southwest executives said initial plans call for integrating Frontier into Southwest within two years, with Frontier planes sold off and Frontier employees hired by Southwest "as needed to support our fleet growth and expanded operations."
The majority of Frontier's 5,000 employees "are absolutely sick about the possibility of being owned by Southwest," a Frontier flight-crew member requesting anonymity told The Denver Post. "There is nothing good about this acquisition. It's bad for Denver's economy."
The rally is not a protest, organizers say, adding, "We will not stand by and do nothing and watch our company disappear without a fight."
Frontier provides "huge service to the people of and the visitors to Colorado," the organizers said.
Frontier spokesman Steve Snyder said the rally has been organized by Frontier employees on their own time.
"While we appreciate their passion for our company, Frontier is bound by rules set up by the (bankruptcy) court for the auction process," Snyder said. Frontier must be "absolutely neutral in the process," Snyder said, and not endorse one group over another.



 
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If your so sure about this claim then I hope you present it to BB so you can take it to court.

Some of you guys got what you wanted, some didn't. Sad for all the res and maint people though.




Employees and supporters of Frontier Airlines are rallying today in downtown Denver to help preserve the hometown air carrier.
Called "Save the Animals" in reference to the critters on Frontier planes' tails, the rally began at noon with a "peaceful demonstration" at Mayor John Hickenlooper's office.
The group, togged out in Frontier uniforms and gear with cow bells, whistles and hula hoops, is walking down the 16th Street Mall.
"We want the citizens of Denver to throw their support behind our great organization," the website savefrontier.org states.
Monday is the deadline for binding bids to acquire Frontier, which filed for bankruptcy in April 2008. If there are two or more bids, an auction will be held beginning Tuesday.
Indianapolis-based Republic Airways Holdings offered in late June to acquire Frontier for $108.7 million, saying it planned to operate Frontier as usual.
Last week, Southwest Airlines submitted a nonbinding proposal of $113.6 million.
Southwest executives said initial plans call for integrating Frontier into Southwest within two years, with Frontier planes sold off and Frontier employees hired by Southwest "as needed to support our fleet growth and expanded operations."
The majority of Frontier's 5,000 employees "are absolutely sick about the possibility of being owned by Southwest," a Frontier flight-crew member requesting anonymity told The Denver Post. "There is nothing good about this acquisition. It's bad for Denver's economy."
The rally is not a protest, organizers say, adding, "We will not stand by and do nothing and watch our company disappear without a fight."
Frontier provides "huge service to the people of and the visitors to Colorado," the organizers said.
Frontier spokesman Steve Snyder said the rally has been organized by Frontier employees on their own time.
"While we appreciate their passion for our company, Frontier is bound by rules set up by the (bankruptcy) court for the auction process," Snyder said. Frontier must be "absolutely neutral in the process," Snyder said, and not endorse one group over another.




He already has.
 

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