Frontier Airlines Tries To Diversify Away From Denver . . . Again

[arjayeffo]

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[climb2slow]

Yawn..........................

 

[hockeypilot44]

Would the Republic pilots on this board please get off their knees and stop pleasuring Bedford? When it's all said and done, Bedford might have done more damage to our careers as a collective whole than Frank Lorenzo. Bedford does not have your best interests in mind. He is using your contract to eliminate the better contracts at other carriers. You will be stuck under your current contract for years with no raises in sight. Who cares if you fly a 190 if it pays the same as a 175? The cockpits are identical, your paycheck is identical. For you first officers, who cares whether you fly a 135, 190, or even Airbus if it pays the same. Enough said.

 

[AnimalTale]

The Frontier pilots get what's coming to them. They were dumb enough to vote for Republic over Southwest.

You are right..

Cya

 

[ChinaClipper]

What vote?

The Reverend Billy Bob pulled a fast one on the Dallas Cyborg. The WN bid wasn't really seriously considered by Sean Mehnke. Is this STILL not understood???

 

[starchkr]

"There are many who are ex TWA, Independence, ATA, and US Airways who have sacrificed just as much as anybody else in this business. Most have no illusions about this being an employee friendly company, and are not interested in staying here long term. We have bills to pay and families to feed."

Ok, now just remember the red highlighted part of this quote when the idea of "career expectations" comes into play with the arbitrator for our SLI. I am sure the RAH guys/gals will not like what we have to offer, and i am sure that our group will not vote for anything that puts a current RAH pilot into the BUS before all of our current F9 guys/gals are back from furlough and they are all offered a left seat.

 

[Toobdrvr]

No one on this board is in a position to speak on behalf of the Frontier pilots.

 

[starchkr]

So the Frontier pilots version of SLI would have the right seat of the Airbus filled by new hires or furloughed Midex pilots only?

I don't know what the pilots as a whole think right now, nor do i have any clue what our union is going to present to RAH or the F9 pilots.

 

[thunderworm]

are they also going to fly into punta gorda PGD heard that rumor a couple days ago?

 

[krewmeel]

It's amazing how Republic pilots think Bedford is the greatest guy in the world. He has zero experience actually running a real airline. He was excellent at signing contract agreements and screwing his pilot group at every turn, but the pilots still seem to love him. Who cares if 190 pay maxes out at $37/hour for first officers, Bedford still managed to get 190's so his pilots adore him. Rant over.

Actually as an F9er, all I hear from the RAH guys is that Bedford is a bible thumping ******************************bag who does his best to keep pilot wages at rock bottom. I'm sure he about pooped himself when he heard what Jetblue guys were going to get to fly the 190s. I hope Teamsters get nothing less than those rates in their new contract. The 190 is only 30 seats less than a F9 A318.

 

[Joblu]

Oh ok we voted for RAH ? not Rah outbid SWA? RAH sucks

Unfortunately both RAH and SWA suck. If SWA won your demise would have been quicker.

Since RAH won you guys. Your demise will be slow and painful.

I hope I am wrong.

Best of luck to you! Seriously.

 

[f9cougar]

Yes but at least the SWA guys are not a bunch of chode lickers.....

 

[En Mort Main]

F9cougar your so bitter you could only be considered a cancer to your company. You have no idea the end road of the path of RAH and yet you already aquired the defeatist spoiled brat menatlity. I don't understand how your like is tolerated in the adult world. Maybe you should quit and work for yourself so you will have the best boss in the whole world. And since your so smart and witty you will be assurd of a profitable existence.
Good Luck and i really hope you chose that path.

En mort Main

 

[fob727]

F9cougar your so bitter you could only be considered a cancer to your company. You have no idea the end road of the path of RAH and yet you already aquired the defeatist spoiled brat menatlity. I don't understand how your like is tolerated in the adult world. Maybe you should quit and work for yourself so you will have the best boss in the whole world. And since your so smart and witty you will be assurd of a profitable existence.
Good Luck and i really hope you chose that path.

En mort Main

spoken like someone addicted to the kool-aid.

 

[En Mort Main]

"spoken like someone addicted to the kool-aid. "
spoken like someone who has nothing to add to a conversation.

 

[AnimalTale]

Actually as an F9er, all I hear from the RAH guys is that Bedford is a bible thumping ******************************bag who does his best to keep pilot wages at rock bottom.

Dont BLAME Bedford for bad wages. We, as pilots, allow mngmt to degrade our pay, whether it be acting on a mngmt threat or an act of "good faith" to "help" keep the company afloat.

Meanwhile, as it should be, Mngmt secures bonuses and good benefits for themselves as a token of "saving the company". Afterwards, packing their bags and moving on to the next nieve bunch, ranting their "need to lower costs or increase revenue" propaganda.

Resistance is the necessary tool for proper negotiations

CYA

 

[dougdrvr]

Dont BLAME Bedford for bad wages. We, as pilots, allow mngmt to degrade our pay, whether it be acting on a mngmt threat or an act of "good faith" to "help" keep the company afloat.

Meanwhile, as it should be, Mngmt secures bonuses and good benefits for themselves as a token of "saving the company". Afterwards, packing their bags and moving on to the next nieve bunch, ranting their "need to lower costs or increase revenue" propaganda.

Resistance is the necessary tool for proper negotiations

CYA

I love it! Popeye has done more to educate the masses in one sentance than thousands of other posts could.

 

[flyforfood77777]

Actually as an F9er, all I hear from the RAH guys is that Bedford is a bible thumping ******************************bag who does his best to keep pilot wages at rock bottom. I'm sure he about pooped himself when he heard what Jetblue guys were going to get to fly the 190s. I hope Teamsters get nothing less than those rates in their new contract. The 190 is only 30 seats less than a F9 A318.

I have personally spoken to a couple of RAH guys and have diplomatically told them I am pulling for them to get JetBlue or better for the 190. Both seemed highly skeptical that they can get that nor that their union is even shooting for those rates, sad. One rationalized it by saying JetBlue has been flying the 190 for awhile, and they just got them. My reasoning (I told him) is that it is irrelevant how long they have had them, and more importantly, they are flying them for 50-seat rates, so even more reason for them to recoup what they are truly owed after flying them around for at least a year (or more depending on when they get a new contract) with decent pay rates.

 

[fob727]

"spoken like someone addicted to the kool-aid. "
spoken like someone who has nothing to add to a conversation.

Oh, I could add to the conversation but the response would be more useless dribble from the RAH kool-aid drinkers who are lowering the bar for the rest of the profession.

 

[RobCat]

I have personally spoken to a couple of RAH guys and have diplomatically told them I am pulling for them to get JetBlue or better for the 190. Both seemed highly skeptical that they can get that nor that their union is even shooting for those rates, sad. One rationalized it by saying JetBlue has been flying the 190 for awhile, and they just got them. My reasoning (I told him) is that it is irrelevant how long they have had them, and more importantly, they are flying them for 50-seat rates, so even more reason for them to recoup what they are truly owed after flying them around for at least a year (or more depending on when they get a new contract) with decent pay rates.

Thanks. No doubt its going to be a battle. I think we are going to be strong alongside our Frontier/Midwest brothers and sisters. Lets hope managements silly ploys to separate our groups fail. Thank you for your support.