Freedumb taking LEX flying from DL Mainline

[Bushhatesyou]

Starting in May Delta is going form 5 flights a day in LEX to 1. Freedumb will take over those routes.....

 

[Beantown]

Starting in May Delta is going form 5 flights a day in LEX to 1. Freedumb will take over those routes.....

And your point? Do you think this doesn't happen every day at every airline? Give me a break. -Bean

 

[Bushhatesyou]

just passing along info I found out... Sounds like your happy about it.

 

[pilotguy733]

So it is Freedom's fault??

Hmm...doesn't Delta determine who flies where??

 

[BoilerUP]

Nice flamebait, but not true according to www.delta.com...

 

[TWAER]

Can we quit talking about regionals "taking" flying. News flash, mainline "management" determines who and what goes where.

 

[flatspin7]

The title should be "Delta giving LEX flying to Freedumb" honestly Mesa is doing what Delta tells them to do... in a cheaper, less adequatly paid way.

On the Same note Delta is notorious for sending big airplanes and verrrry short ineffecient routes... Like a 767 ATL-BHM (Alabama not england) and 757s every where. BDL looked like a 757 Delta hub last time I was there, including the Pink Song airplane... we has a chuckle at that one.

 

[flyer172r]

Can we quit talking about regionals "taking" flying. News flash, mainline determines who and what goes where.

Slight addition: mainline management decides who and what goes where.

 

[General Lee]

The title should be "Delta giving LEX flying to Freedumb" honestly Mesa is doing what Delta tells them to do... in a cheaper, less adequatly paid way.

On the Same note Delta is notorious for sending big airplanes and verrrry short ineffecient routes... Like a 767 ATL-BHM (Alabama not england) and 757s every where. BDL looked like a 757 Delta hub last time I was there, including the Pink Song airplane... we has a chuckle at that one.

Not anymore. They haven't had a 757 or anything bigger going to BHM in a couple years. And, we are taking most of our domestic 767-300ers and throwing them on new INTL routes. Even our 764s that were doing FLA shuttles (hourly to FLL or TPA) are now starting London Gatwick, FRA, and Rome from ATL, and Shannon and Dublin from JFK by the end of the Summer, as long as we are still around. Even certain ex-Song flights on 757s will be replaced with MD88s, like BDL to PBI, putting those 757s on more lucrative routes.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Bushhatesyou]

Not flamebait.... We just got the extra pax briefing cards at the station today.

 

[Soverytired]

Starting in May Delta is going form 5 flights a day in LEX to 1. Freedumb will take over those routes.....

Bashing Freedom? How Passe. It's ALPA now, and no A-listers are even there anymore.

Just say you hate all things Mesa. You know you want to . . . . .

 

[CitationLover]

Bashing Freedom? How Passe. It's ALPA now, and no A-listers are even there anymore.

Just say you hate all things Mesa. You know you want to . . . . .

don't blame your contract woes on them then if you have this attitude. f all a-listers, some of which ARE in the freedumb training department.

the word on mesahub is that freedumb has reduced their reserve fuel (same 45 min requirement) but it is now magically 700# lighter to 1300 instead of 2000#. freedumb is lowest bidder and if the fuel info is correct, almost illegal.

 

[ERJFO]

Can we quit talking about regionals "taking" flying. News flash, mainline "management" determines who and what goes where.

They can however take flying from other "regionals" and the pilots DO control this.

 

[A350]

Just like the pilots who took mainline flying?

First you had regional pilots taking flying/jobs from the mainlines.....now you have regionals taking other regionals flying, and shortly we will have mainline pilots taking their flying back. (ala USAirways E190's and NWA's Compass)

The irony is thick, isn't is?

A350

 

[ekuflyer]

I just looked at Delta.com and travelnet and nothing except LEX dropping to one 737-200 a day and 5 crjs in may to ATL. CVG is all CRJ'S AND ERJ's

 

[Soverytired]

don't blame your contract woes on them then if you have this attitude. f all a-listers, some of which ARE in the freedumb training department.

the word on mesahub is that freedumb has reduced their reserve fuel (same 45 min requirement) but it is now magically 700# lighter to 1300 instead of 2000#. freedumb is lowest bidder and if the fuel info is correct, almost illegal.

Ahhh, that's right. There might me 2 or 3 pilots in the training dept that are A-list . . .better take it out on all the guys on the line who aren't . . . that makes pefect sense . . ..

BTW . . . . I didn't vote for that POS CBA. I blame everyone who voted for it, not anybody else. . . .

Reserve fuel? If you think it's illegal, drop a note to the Freedom POI, that should fix that problem. (I would, if I were Freedom and thought it was an issue. Hell, I'd pick up the phone, but e-mail is nice to avoid "whistleblower" problems) Though I doubt Freedom really cares . . . cuz Mesa dosen't pay for gas . . .

 

[ERJFO]

Just like the pilots who took mainline flying?

First you had regional pilots taking flying/jobs from the mainlines.....now you have regionals taking other regionals flying, and shortly we will have mainline pilots taking their flying back. (ala USAirways E190's and NWA's Compass)

The irony is thick, isn't is?

A350

Thats good, I always have said that I would rather fly any airplane at a major than at a regional and I'm glad this is happening with some 90 seaters.

But, I don't think regional pilots "took" flying from mainline guys or were responsible for it like pilots are responsible for taking flying from other regionals.

 

[Jack Mehoff]

Starting in May Delta is going form 5 flights a day in LEX to 1. Freedumb will take over those routes.....

Oh get off it man. You all are a bunch of internet tough talkers. If you just hate mesa fine. Say off the planes don't ask for a jumpseat. The fact is you will bash anyone here then go ask for a free ride on em and be there best friend and thanks for the ride. You and all the other wuss bags need to put up or shut up!
Get back to the important things like who has the hottest FA's and what airplanes look better.

 

[CitationLover]

Ahhh, that's right. There might me 2 or 3 pilots in the training dept that are A-list . . .better take it out on all the guys on the line who aren't . . . that makes pefect sense . . ..

BTW . . . . I didn't vote for that POS CBA. I blame everyone who voted for it, not anybody else. . . .

Reserve fuel? If you think it's illegal, drop a note to the Freedom POI, that should fix that problem. (I would, if I were Freedom and thought it was an issue. Hell, I'd pick up the phone, but e-mail is nice to avoid "whistleblower" problems) Though I doubt Freedom really cares . . . cuz Mesa dosen't pay for gas . . .

we'll see in 2007. i hope mr ackerman gets you better, probably not since it will be the same negotiating committee.

i am not taking it out on freedumb pilots, in fact i am good friends with a few, but there are plenty who REFUSED to go over to freedom.

you are very defensive even when someone is not mesa bashing.

 

[Soverytired]

we'll see in 2007. i hope mr ackerman gets you better, probably not since it will be the same negotiating committee.

you are very defensive even when someone is not mesa bashing.

Denfensive? Maybe. Your bias is definitely shown to be "bashing" mesa when you refer to a MAG operating certificate as FreeDUMB.

That's an ALPA-blessed and sanctified certificate; it has been for YEARS, and I can't tell you how many fo's I fly with who are passing up upgrades at Freedom because they're afraid of some sort of stigma. That stigma (if it exists, which personnaly, I doubt) is kept alive by guys who know almost nothing about it . . . all they know is the mantra "Down with FreeDUMB" . . . who are almost invariably Mesa bashers as well.

If that ain't you, then sorry. But you wouldn't know it from the post.

 

[Capn Lucky]

They can however take flying from other "regionals" and the pilots DO control this.

HUH? I didn't get that memo.

 

[DashCojones]

They can however take flying from other "regionals" and the pilots DO control this.

Idiot.

 

[CitationLover]

Denfensive? Maybe. Your bias is definitely shown to be "bashing" mesa when you refer to a MAG operating certificate as FreeDUMB.

That's an ALPA-blessed and sanctified certificate; it has been for YEARS, and I can't tell you how many fo's I fly with who are passing up upgrades at Freedom because they're afraid of some sort of stigma. That stigma (if it exists, which personnaly, I doubt) is kept alive by guys who know almost nothing about it . . . all they know is the mantra "Down with FreeDUMB" . . . who are almost invariably Mesa bashers as well.

If that ain't you, then sorry. But you wouldn't know it from the post.

if i say Air Bigmess am i mesa bashing also?

Freedom is Freedumb because it was a languishing certificate that finally was going to go away, but cheap ornstein threw a 1900 on it to keep it alive. then the delta thingy happened. freedom is the primary reason mesa's contract sucks. it is a bad memory and should have died the death it deserves.

the fo's are smart in that respect for not going to freedumb. it is a principled stand, something you evidently do not seem to care about. the dash operation is already shaping up to be a cluster. JFK a possible reserve base, thanks for my 8 days off AH/RH!

 

[Soverytired]

if i say Air Bigmess am i mesa bashing also?

the fo's are smart in that respect for not going to freedumb. it is a principled stand, something you evidently do not seem to care about. the dash operation is already shaping up to be a cluster. JFK a possible reserve base, thanks for my 8 days off AH/RH!

Freedom 3 years ago = principled stand.

Freedom now = plain stupid.

You realize, of course, that if Mesa gets 20, 30, 40, 50, or 69 ERJ's for Continental, they'll probably go on the Freedom certificate, right? By your "logic", if anyone get's junior assigned to Freedom, or is new-hired right into Freedom, the "principled stand" would be to quit immediately.

You're sure right about the D8 in New Jersey being one big Charlie-Foxtrot though. Wonder where they're gonna get the captains for that one? Low pay and a 3 year seat lock in the east coast sewer . . . no thanks, on ANY certificate.

 

[A350]

ERJFO:

I guess we will have to agree to disagree on that one.

A question though? Where did all these new RJ's come from and where are they flown? Many were bought with the pension money of another pilot group (U mainline). Many are flown on routes that used to be mainline routes. The flying I used to do at U went somewhere. U, UAL, NWA, and DAL all furloughed. PSA, Mesa, Comair, CHQ, Republic, Transstates.....etc....all hired thousands of pilots.

Sounds like taking flying to me.

A350

 

[TWAER]

NO, it sounds like giving up flying to me.

 

[JustaNumber]

A question though? Where did all these new RJ's come from and where are they flown? Many were bought with the pension money of another pilot group (U mainline). Many are flown on routes that used to be mainline routes. The flying I used to do at U went somewhere. U, UAL, NWA, and DAL all furloughed. PSA, Mesa, Comair, CHQ, Republic, Transstates.....etc....all hired thousands of pilots.

Sounds like taking flying to me.

A350

Actually, mainline management was originally the entity that wanted to "take" the flying (to give to the regionals), and the mainline pilots did not put their foot down to prevent it. They could have tried, but they felt it would have cost too much negotiating capital that they preferred to use for leveraging the remainder of their contracts.

The regional airlines have never had any power to "take" anything. They have just flown what was offered to them.

The Delta pilots are now saying they will burn the place down rather than give up 76-seat scope. If all ALPA mainline pilots had said the exact same thing about 50-seat jet flying a decade ago, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Sounds like giving away flying to me.

 

[Soverytired]

As long as we're shooting our mouths off with nonsense. . . .

ERJFO:

. . . . Sounds like taking flying to me.

A350

Want another dumb argument?

I've always believed that the INCREDIBLY LOW wages at the regional level have drummed up enough business to subsidize the INSANELY HIGH wages (re: greedy) at the mainline level.

And mainline pilots didn't give a flying f (besides the occasional lip service) . . . until they totally overreached and got spanked big time when the ship started sinking. . . .

 

[sniper]

we'll see in 2007. i hope mr ackerman gets you better, probably not since it will be the same negotiating committee.

i am not taking it out on freedumb pilots, in fact i am good friends with a few, but there are plenty who REFUSED to go over to freedom.

you are very defensive even when someone is not mesa bashing.

Same Negotiating Committee?

I thought it was replaced with new Chairman and members?

 

[CitationLover]

Same Negotiating Committee?

I thought it was replaced with new Chairman and members?

the first thing they did was retain the old negotiating committee who stated that AH had "micromanaged" them. JA listened. this is why Angelo was not added to the NC.

so i guess technically JA replaced AH.