RJFlyer said:No, it appears you are missing the point. This situation would probably not have existed if it weren't for U scope. It just resulted in the side benefit (in Mesa mgmts eyes) of screwing the Mesa pilots. Whether you like it or not, the pilots who go to work for Freedom are NOT scabs and do not deserve to be looked down upon just because they're not ALPA and not on your seniority list.
Once again, he CAN'T because of U scope. How hard is that to understand?
First, let's clarify something. It's not my seniority list. I don't work for Mesa, I work for Pinnacle. Now, as for the U scope. Creating Freedom under a different certificate to avoid U scope is not the big problem here as everyone keeps saying. The problem is that Mesa pilots are not being used to fly under this new cert. If JO wanted to start Freedom with Mesa pilots under one list and one contract then noone would be complaining. This is about union busting, not U scope. And I agree that they are not SCABS, but they are almost as bad and they should be looked down upon.
I wouldn't like it a bit, but that situation is in no way relevant to yours. Why don't you ask a USAir WO pilot what he thinks of the J4J deal? Same situation, just happens to be an "ALPA shop."
Actually that is exactly the same situation as Mesa's. J4J is the completely different issue. I'll remind you that all the WO's who have established J4J voted on it and approved it. U didn't force J4J on the WO's, they agreed. Yes there are many WO pilots opposed to J4J (I have several friends at PDT not too happy), but they can either accept it or everyone under the U umbrela will be out of a job pretty soon when chapter 7 becomes necessary.
Is that so? How then do you explain a quote such as this:This is in reference to the non-ALPA, non-pilot flight engineers being called out to strike, and ALPA replacing them with ALPA members to break their strike (can you say "scab?"). This must be that one time in 1,000 when ALPA's been wrong, though, right?
No actually ALPA was right then IMO. How 'bout you go read the rest of that chapter and read just how uncomfortable a situation it was to have FEIA members in ALPA cockpits. Those positions were rightfully ALPA positions in the first place and were filled by non-pilots that should never have been there. ALPA pilots were not scabbing by takeing those positions, they were taking what was rightfully there's to begin with. But that's another debate.
Don't get me wrong, I think it's crappy that JO is doing this to you guys. But to sit here and gripe about the pilots who choose to work there - and blaming it on them - is missing the point. It's not their fault, and they can't be expected to pass up a jet job simply because you disagree with JO's methods. IT"S NOT THEIR FAULT. Instead of lambasting them, why don't you try to bring them into the fold and effect some kind of seniority list merger (DOH would work for you, wouldn't it?)?
Merging the list would require a single carrier filing and would take quite a long time to complete if the almost-scabs at Freedom would even be interested. I guess we shouldn't blame the SCABs that crossed CAL in '83 or EAL in '89 either right? They were just trying to get a "jet job" too weren't they? As you say, "IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT." Yes JO is a piece of sh!t, but so are the almost-scabs that are working for Freedom.