Fract W&B ??

[LearLove]

I have a few questions on how fracts (mainly: citation shares) do their weight and balance.

Does the BOW (basic operating weight) of the citations (CJ1, Bravo, and Excel) include the pilot or do they add that in as actual? At my company the BOW of each aircraft includes the weight for capt, fo, fa and their luggage.

Does CS use a standard weight for each pax or actual? what about bags?

Just wondering, Thanks.

 

[fracflyer]

We could tell you, but we'd have to kill you.

 

[LearLove]

OK thats fine, tell me, my life isn't worth much anyway. Just make it painless.

 

[JetCapt69]

At Options....

The BOW includes the aircraft BEW plus any amentities plus the crew & bags.

We will now send the IBT goons to take you out! If your lucky, it will be an open casket service

 

[FracPilot]

In an aircraft like the CJ, which only requires one pilot, is the BOW based on one pilot or two? Years ago I flew a Citation single pilot and the BOW was based on one pilot. I have seen others that it is based on two. Food for thought.

 

[rettofly]

In an aircraft like the CJ, which only requires one pilot, is the BOW based on one pilot or two? Years ago I flew a Citation single pilot and the BOW was based on one pilot. I have seen others that it is based on two. Food for thought.

BOW includes whatever crew weight is aboard. Two jobs ago it varied between 190 (if I went single) and 400 (depending on which F/O I had with me.

 

[FracPilot]

BOW includes whatever crew weight is aboard. Two jobs ago it varied between 190 (if I went single) and 400 (depending on which F/O I had with me.

I was asking specifically what BOW is for CS - one pilot or two. If you have a BOW listed in the W&B manual that is for one pilot, you have to add the weight of the second.

 

[Stinkbug]

CS Weight and Balance

Actually, our weekly crewmember bulletin that came out today had a blurb on it that indicated we're going to a new "AA weight and balance system" for Part 135 ops. Anyone familiar with this?

 

[OtterFO]

We had one of those "AA weight and balance systems" at a previous job. Had to start each day with a meeting. It usually went something like this. "Hi, I'm OtterFO. I'm an alcoholic, I've been sober for 8 hours."

sigh, I really need to get out of the bush.....

 

[BortaS]

Re: CS Weight and Balance

Actually, our weekly crewmember bulletin that came out today had a blurb on it that indicated we're going to a new "AA weight and balance system" for Part 135 ops. Anyone familiar with this?

It's real simple to learn and use. After you figure out a few tricks a weight and balance can be done in seconds with the plotter. The plotter seems to be the standard for 135 operaters. Hopefuly they will keep the paper work simple too.

 

[yosemite]

AA plotter system

Its called "American Aeronautics"

Try www.flyincg.com

They take all the specific information for THAT aircraft and build a plotter for that one airplane. You get the plotter and a yellow pages sized stack of charts, again built for that specific airplane.

You start at the dot at the bottom, line up the bottom or top of the plotter on one of the cross lines, and then draw up part of the plotter you need to build a real life W&B graph.

It was easy... draw up the pax line till you have them all in, from there draw up the baggage line till it was all in, finally continue the line by drawing up the fuel block till your load is shown.

The top of the line shows your CG point fore-aft and your total weight at takeoff. Back back down the fuel line the amount of fuel burn and you have landing weight and CG point as well.

Takes :30 seconds tops, and that was for a 25 seat airplane..

very cool. very easy.

 

[Diesel]

Dispatch doesn't do your numbers for you? What about filing a flight plan do you have to do that too?

 

[BortaS]

Dispatch doesn't do your numbers for you? What about filing a flight plan do you have to do that too?

Not yet. Right now the pilots have total control over flight plans, fueling and W&B. There is talk of having it done for us in the future, but who knows.

I've had it both ways, and to be honest I don't really care if they do it for us or not. It is nice to have less to do, but it's also nice to have the control.

 

[Diesel]

yeah but if I ever see a page "dispatch down" i freak out