Foreign Pilots = Al Queda??

[Ailerongirl]

I would imagine they are piloted by full-fledged koran thumping muslims.

Oooh I'll bet you're right! I'll bet those muslim people also carry their Korans with them everywhere they go! And I heard that it has funny writing in it!! Just to be safe, maybe you should cross the street everytime you see one coming.....you just never know

I feel no carrier from a muslim country should be allowed in the US.

Oh yeah...that'll stop 'those' people

 

[Singlecoil]

That Virgin captain that recently got busted for drinking was an American, so we've got that goin' for us.

 

[Flyairjason]

ARRRRRGH!!!

Guys, forgive me, but I feel the need to open a can of "get a freak'n clue!!!" on this "SEAFEYE" person...

First of all my friend, I could tell you story after story of TSA abuse of aircrew members... And they DO scrutinize flight bags as well as shake down pilots. I once had a TSA genius tell me that my "D" cell flashlight (you know, the one dictated by the FARs) was a weapon, and could not be taken aboard the aircraft I was working. On another occasion, they told me the same thing. By the way, one of these occasions was at BOS, you know, where some of the 9/11 terrorists boarded... I had to get a supervisor to come over and talk to the screener to convince him that my flashlight was okay.
The point is, I don't think you're fully briefed on what you claim to know so much about. 9/11 had nothing to do with illegal weapons, burdoned screeners, or whatever the H-E double hockeystix you believe you know. Oh, and here is a little news flash for you... The only difference in today's level of security, and that of pre-9/11 is that today's screeners can now own a house while you and I pump up our inflatable mattress at our crashpad... Because of our current level orange, and the number of recent threats, I wont go into the glaring flaws that can be found at each and every station out there (and TSA knows what I'm talking about!).
One more thing, my oh so in the know friend... Not only has the point been made that none of the 9/11 clowns used a restricted item, your stats are pure nonsense... Your contention of only 33% of a screeners resources going to good use is frighteningly narrowminded. Regardless of passenger to nonpassenger ratio, anyone could tote contraband, and then hand the item off to a passenger on the sterile side of security. Besides, aren't you a 135 guy? Do you even interact with the 121 world?
Jason

 

[Flyingdutchman]

"OK.. some of you red blooded americans go try and get a job at a EU carrier. They will laugh you out of the country.

They only hire locals. No one seems to have a problem with nationalism in Europe. Here in america though.."
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BS !!!!

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As for Europeans not hiring foreigners.......Get you head out of your ass. You obiously do not know what it is like and you probaby have not been outside the US. Every country i have been to i have been working with Americans. They live and work in each and every country in the world. USA is not the only country to have immigration. Americans are everywhere. The door has to swing both ways pal!"
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true!


"Ya Fact is you come from a foreign country and the FAA will give you a FAA Private.
Go find a job with that.

If you want to convert your ratings to the USA you will have to:
1) Take the instrument test
2) Take the Commercial test
3) Take the instrument flight test
4) Take the Commercial Flight test
5) Depending on your coversion you may need to do a single engine or multi engine add-on in addition.


If you don't know what you are talking about, it is best that you
keep quiet! All the european countries that i know about will give you credit for the hours you have flown (with the exception of shared PIC time) but you will have to prove yourself with both a written exams and the practicals. "
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true true!!

By the way, there are lots of Americans working at;

KLM
Lufthansa
Birtish Airways
SAS

 

[BollaBolla]

Yes i am 135 but at least i did not buy my 121 1900 job!

I am so sick of hearing that!!! Not everyone who flies a 1900 paid for their job you know!! Get a clue before you open your mouth!

Just for the record according to TSA's not so secret book of secrets any airline employee is not supposed to be subject to "selectee status." Gate/Ramp/Ops/Dispatchers can be "randomly" searched at the checkpoint, or gate. In other words if Bob the rampy goes through security and he has a piece of luggage with him, and the TSA agent decides he hasnt yelled out bag search enough today he can yell it out and some other TSA person will wander up and go through all of Bobs dirty underwear. Now bob goes and gets all of his ratings and decides to fly commercial. He goes through security with his new improved company ID. He sends his bag through the X-Ray and he walks through the metal detector. Nothing wrong. Nothing strange in his bag, he didnt beep. The TSA agent is itching to scream bag search, but he has to wait to randomly select a passanger because Bob is now exempt from random screenings. Now, if Bob goes through and TSA man sees something that looks a little strange in Bob's overnight he can search it, and find that Bob likes to wear womens underwear when he is on overnights, and that pointy thing was really just the heel of Bob's new stilettos.

I'd say about 25% of the issues with the TSA comes from ignorance. On theirs and on the part of the airline employees. I certainly dont know all the TSA regulations, nor do I have time to read them all. The fact that the TSA agents dont know them all scares the crap out of me, seeing as how thats their job.

Another 25% of the problem comes from the fact that every day there is a new rule issues by the TSA. One morning going through screening in MCO i didnt have to take my digital camera out of my bag. Later that day going through screenining in MCO I did because in the 3 hours that had passed since my last visit through security a rule had changed. That creates confusion on everyone's parts and confusion generaly leads to people being very very upset.

Im done now... I need to go play with my new toys. Have a wonderful christmas.

 

[Diesel]

Sure there might be some US pilots working abroad. But I can tell you the number is very small compared to the amount of foreigners working over here as pilots. Moving your liscence from JAA to FAA is really easy. Just study the books and do the written.

Moving it the other way is quite expensive and involves something like 14 tests. Oh with no answers published.

Sure foreigners can come work here but they have to let the same numbers of american's work in their country. The biggest downfall of this country is that we feel the need to allow everybody here to work just because we are the land of the free. Why don't we protect our jobs first?

I garantee you if you went to fly fo SAS and there was a Swedish aplicant and an american aplicant they wouldn't even bother giving the american an interview. Most european airlines are heavily government subsidised.

Oh by the way don't think your special because the federal gov't gave you permission to work and live here. That's exactly the problem they give it to too many people. Fly your 1900 job for crap wages and then you'll go back to your country to fly a 747.

 

[s.o.sJTB]

I garantee you if you went to fly fo SAS and there was a Swedish aplicant and an american aplicant they wouldn't even bother giving the american an interview. Most european airlines are heavily government subsidised.

The fact that European airlines are heavily subsidised by the government could explain why Americans or any other foriegner cant work for them. It's the same here, Non- Citizens cannot fly for the Postal Service, or work any Airline flight with a government Contract (Military Transport, Deportation, Flying Convicts Etc,).

 

[neil armstrong]

They only hire locals. No one seems to have a problem with nationalism in Europe. Here in america though.. we are supposed for leave the white american male for last when hiring

I work in the UK ,in my company we have people from 10 country's! inc. Americans.
When i last went onto a KLM Cityhopper flight there was a US Captain and a Swedish F/O.
there are a couple of exemptions to this in France,Spain,Italy you better speak the lingo without a accent to get a job.
But for th rest if you are allowed to work in Europe and you have the License you can get the job.

Perhaps you missed the passage of legislation a few weeks ago allowing foreign cargo carriers to originate in Anchorage and operate within the United States. It appears our lawmakers do not share your opinion.

For non US airlines flying in the US ,y'alls airspace is almost completely closed for internal flights.
While there are lots of US flights operating in Europe.
UPS crews fly the 767 into CGN or EMA and then fly a N reg 757 around Europe for a couple of days before Flying the 767 back to the US(when you are in CGN the UPS ramp is full with N reg aircraft)
I dont have a problem with this but dont start bitching if we do some flying over there!

Merry Christmas

Neil

 

[shroomwell]

The reason that there are so many foreigner working over here is because they all do there flight training here in the states. It is cheaper to train here and go back to Europe or whereever and convert the licensce. However what happens is they sometimes get green cards to work here and stay.

The problem I have with this is that the government is only suppose to issue these work visas to people who can prove that there is a need for there skill here. So how come there are so many foreign pilots working in the U.S (91,135,121), when it is such a competetive industry, and especially with so many unemployed pilots.

 

[ALASKAN AVIATOR]

So how come there are so many foreign pilots working in the U.S (91,135,121), when it is such a competetive industry, and especially with so many unemployed pilots.

Becasue bushie is in office and he and his minions in congress love cabatoge and $$$$$ and they don't give a damm about the American worker.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

I have to admit I've thought about that too. 12000 professional pilots who are american citizens were laid off after 09/11. How could the government issue work visas on the basis that the country lacked in certified pilots???

I have nothing against people who come here to fly -- but if they choose to remain and take valuable (and few and far between) American jobs, perhaps they should take steps to become American citizens.

During the great depression the state of California sent the Mexican migrant workers back to Mexico because there was not enough work for the citizens of California. During what is the most widespread downturn the aviation industry has ever experienced I cant help but wish that the government had taken a parallel course. If all of the non-US pilots visas were revoked there would have been quite a few more jobs for American citizens whose careers were harmed by 09/11.

I sure hate to sound prejudiced or elitist -- i'm glad that in the world-community people can come from around the world and fly here. I guess that with so many people out of work I just think perhaps we should look out for our own first.

 

[whiskytangofoxt]

I know this may be a little pre 1940, however maybe if the airlines of the US only hired US pilots, maybe so many would'nt be unemployed, and just maybe we could understand the radio...

Venting done thank you

 

[neil armstrong]

I worked in the states for a couple of years after i did my flight training there.
But the only way i could stay was by marrying a US girl.
(to big of a sacrifice for me )
But you will find that most foreign pilots in the US got there Greencard this way or in the Green Card Lottery.

Neil

 

[whiskytangofoxt]

I would hope you are not call me a racist, America unlike a lot of other coutries has many backgrounds that can all be born here. I am just saying that American jobs for American people first.

 

[Astra Guy]

Amen, Wisky.

Try getting a job in the Bahamas if you are not Bahamian!