Foreign Pilots = Al Queda??

[Diesel]

Sure there might be some US pilots working abroad. But I can tell you the number is very small compared to the amount of foreigners working over here as pilots. Moving your liscence from JAA to FAA is really easy. Just study the books and do the written.

Moving it the other way is quite expensive and involves something like 14 tests. Oh with no answers published.

Sure foreigners can come work here but they have to let the same numbers of american's work in their country. The biggest downfall of this country is that we feel the need to allow everybody here to work just because we are the land of the free. Why don't we protect our jobs first?

I garantee you if you went to fly fo SAS and there was a Swedish aplicant and an american aplicant they wouldn't even bother giving the american an interview. Most european airlines are heavily government subsidised.

Oh by the way don't think your special because the federal gov't gave you permission to work and live here. That's exactly the problem they give it to too many people. Fly your 1900 job for crap wages and then you'll go back to your country to fly a 747.

 

[s.o.sJTB]

I garantee you if you went to fly fo SAS and there was a Swedish aplicant and an american aplicant they wouldn't even bother giving the american an interview. Most european airlines are heavily government subsidised.

The fact that European airlines are heavily subsidised by the government could explain why Americans or any other foriegner cant work for them. It's the same here, Non- Citizens cannot fly for the Postal Service, or work any Airline flight with a government Contract (Military Transport, Deportation, Flying Convicts Etc,).

 

[neil armstrong]

They only hire locals. No one seems to have a problem with nationalism in Europe. Here in america though.. we are supposed for leave the white american male for last when hiring

I work in the UK ,in my company we have people from 10 country's! inc. Americans.
When i last went onto a KLM Cityhopper flight there was a US Captain and a Swedish F/O.
there are a couple of exemptions to this in France,Spain,Italy you better speak the lingo without a accent to get a job.
But for th rest if you are allowed to work in Europe and you have the License you can get the job.

Perhaps you missed the passage of legislation a few weeks ago allowing foreign cargo carriers to originate in Anchorage and operate within the United States. It appears our lawmakers do not share your opinion.

For non US airlines flying in the US ,y'alls airspace is almost completely closed for internal flights.
While there are lots of US flights operating in Europe.
UPS crews fly the 767 into CGN or EMA and then fly a N reg 757 around Europe for a couple of days before Flying the 767 back to the US(when you are in CGN the UPS ramp is full with N reg aircraft)
I dont have a problem with this but dont start bitching if we do some flying over there!

Merry Christmas

Neil

 

[shroomwell]

The reason that there are so many foreigner working over here is because they all do there flight training here in the states. It is cheaper to train here and go back to Europe or whereever and convert the licensce. However what happens is they sometimes get green cards to work here and stay.

The problem I have with this is that the government is only suppose to issue these work visas to people who can prove that there is a need for there skill here. So how come there are so many foreign pilots working in the U.S (91,135,121), when it is such a competetive industry, and especially with so many unemployed pilots.

 

[ALASKAN AVIATOR]

So how come there are so many foreign pilots working in the U.S (91,135,121), when it is such a competetive industry, and especially with so many unemployed pilots.

Becasue bushie is in office and he and his minions in congress love cabatoge and $$$$$ and they don't give a damm about the American worker.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

I have to admit I've thought about that too. 12000 professional pilots who are american citizens were laid off after 09/11. How could the government issue work visas on the basis that the country lacked in certified pilots???

I have nothing against people who come here to fly -- but if they choose to remain and take valuable (and few and far between) American jobs, perhaps they should take steps to become American citizens.

During the great depression the state of California sent the Mexican migrant workers back to Mexico because there was not enough work for the citizens of California. During what is the most widespread downturn the aviation industry has ever experienced I cant help but wish that the government had taken a parallel course. If all of the non-US pilots visas were revoked there would have been quite a few more jobs for American citizens whose careers were harmed by 09/11.

I sure hate to sound prejudiced or elitist -- i'm glad that in the world-community people can come from around the world and fly here. I guess that with so many people out of work I just think perhaps we should look out for our own first.

 

[whiskytangofoxt]

I know this may be a little pre 1940, however maybe if the airlines of the US only hired US pilots, maybe so many would'nt be unemployed, and just maybe we could understand the radio...

Venting done thank you

 

[neil armstrong]

I worked in the states for a couple of years after i did my flight training there.
But the only way i could stay was by marrying a US girl.
(to big of a sacrifice for me )
But you will find that most foreign pilots in the US got there Greencard this way or in the Green Card Lottery.

Neil

 

[whiskytangofoxt]

I would hope you are not call me a racist, America unlike a lot of other coutries has many backgrounds that can all be born here. I am just saying that American jobs for American people first.

 

[Astra Guy]

Amen, Wisky.

Try getting a job in the Bahamas if you are not Bahamian!

 

[Flyairjason]

Who is this freak'n Seafeye guy?

Seafeye,
What the he11 is wrong with you?! A person expresses his/her opinion, you know, the same way that YOU did, and now you're calling names? How can you ever expect anyone to take your point seriously when you get on the board and act like a knucklehead? Calling someone a racist is a very steep allegation, my friend... If you ask me, Whiskey's comment wasn't racist anyway. I believe he said let's employ "AMERICANS" in America, not white people or black people or purple people.
You know, I'll bet you're as scary and clueless in the cockpit as you are in society...

Jason

 

[Captain X]

Ignorance

I would imagine they are piloted by full-fledged koran thumping muslims.

I feel no carrier from a muslim country should be allowed in the US.

pipejockey -- CLICK HERE

I happen to now a few "full-fledged koran thumping muslims" who absolutely despise how EXTREMISTS or TERRORISTS are giving their religion a bad name b/c of a loose or incorrect interpretation.

Following your rationale, we shouldn't allow any Christians in the town of Waco, TX (man is that gonna screw up admissions to Baylor or what?) or allow any white, male, former-military personnel near any government buildings in Oklahoma City.

I bet you think since a gun is involved in a shooting that ALL guns should be banned.

We need real solutions to real problems, not blind prejudice.

 

[Ligeirinho]

Hi guys
As a foreign born US citizen and already traveled international a lot plus lived in several diferent parts of the globe let me claer some aspects here:
1- Europe and Brazil (second largest fleet in the world) has about the same policy about foreings they can get a job bot gotta be citizens they don't allowed people non-citizen getting airline jobs as they do here for green card holders and sometimes only employment authorization.
The reason is they always consider aviation as national security.
2- USA is famous to only care about money and nothing else and now is easy to blame US fault on anything but ourselves. FAA needed long time ago start security screenings in the airports as all the world already had it but here. Now they started but didn't train the people because as always US think averything here is better than anywhere else what isn't true. So if these security screeners had some traininwith frankfurt people they would treat at least the pasengers better as they are not flying because the bad treatment dispersed and I don't blame them as I fell this myself several times.
3- The way to finish terrorism is simple, we americans need to be more freindly instead of invade inocent people's country to steal oil just because they have a dictator there. We don't also have one here. If you don't agree tell me who vote for president? (nobody as the elections are indirect here) Electoral college remember? So we need first take care of our house to than go to somebody else's otherwise they will come after us as we act hipocritally.

GOD bless all

 

[ALASKAN AVIATOR]

Does your mother know that you are a Racist?

You have no idea what racist is foreigner.

 

[taloft]

There are 2 kinds of people I hate:

1) People who are intolerant of other people's cultures.

2) and the Dutch.

j/k

 

[dash8driver]

oh man...to say we are "stealing oil" is truly a statement of ignorance. it demonstrates a lack of understanding of how the global oil industry works and where our oil comes from.

that concept comes from the other end of the sheeple spectrum.

 

[General Lee]

Did we take the Iraqi oil fields after we won the first Gulf War? Nope. We could have, but we didn't. We did not go after the oil, we went after the person. How's that oil price nowadays? Still high, and we took over that country 7 months ago. We do not go after countries for their oil.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[blzr]

Hey Lingeringho.... Don't know what country you are from, really don't care, but if you don't like it here, go back to where ever it is you come from anf fly planes there. Oh, I forgot, if you could fly over there, you wouldn't be here.

Perfect we Ain't, but if you don't like it here, Delta's ready when you are.. ( to take you back )

 

[neil armstrong]

Taloft,
What do you have against the Dutch?? we are such a nice bunch of people!!!!
Dont make me get up ,put on my Cloggies and come over there to show you


For the rest,

I like America ,and would have stayed longer if i could .
But yall have to accept that not all people want to live the American dream.
I also think that your goverment has underestamated the commitment needed to make Iraq and Afganistan work.
Most people in Europe will say that it's good that these people are liberated from there goverments ,but a lot of people question the way it was done and the current operations in these country's.

Off to work

Neil

 

[chawbein]

Hey there mister broken-english!

The electoral college is the same concept as the Senate. You wouldn't want to get rid of the Senate would you? Without the electoral college, the large metropolitan areas would rule this country. Have you taken the citizenship test yet? You sound like these @sshole Indian programmers I work with. Quick to take the money from my great nation, but not willing to become a stakeholder.

All you non-citizens who are working here, remember that you are here at the hospitality of the American people. Try to remember that before you mouth off.