Forced Overtime For ASA Pilots!

[av8er2]

What do you all think about the forced overtime the pilots have to do?

The lines stink. Very long 4 days, 24 plus hours, limited rest between 4, 5 and 6 leg days. 93 hour lines.

The swapping system stinks so many will be stuck with these trips.

Many are forced to fly a lot because of mgt. problems. These lines are fatiguing for many and more than they want.

 

[John Pennekamp]

What do you all think about the forced overtime the pilots have to do?

The lines stink. Very long 4 days, 24 plus hours, limited rest between 4, 5 and 6 leg days. 93 hour lines.

The swapping system stinks so many will be stuck with these trips.

Many are forced to fly a lot because of mgt. problems. These lines are fatiguing for many and more than they want.

How long have you been here?

I will agree though, in that employee morale at ASA is lower than I've ever seen it.

 

[goahead]

BLAH BLAH BLAH go work in the real world then see if you still feel the same. It's not forced though you can always bid naps, res, get a personal leave, etc.....

 

[Prop2Jet]

As Continental Express would have said "Fly Safe"

 

[Prop2Jet]

If your airplane is broke you should write it up right!

 

[av8er2]

BLAH BLAH BLAH go work in the real world then see if you still feel the same. It's not forced though you can always bid naps, res, get a personal leave, etc.....

I find it funny how so many pilots think flying is the only good job out there. Many know others who have good jobs that are not flying.

I think when someone makes these types of comments they are trying to justify why they stay in a job like ASA.

Sure it is not too bad but if a pilot is educated and has a good personality they have many other options than working a lot for a company that doesn't appriciate them like ASA.

 

[Texx]

What do you all think about the forced overtime the pilots have to do?

Forced overtime? You mean Junior Man and or Rescheduled?

 

[HarryParatestes]

Because BL is an A$$Clown and A$A is a joke of an airline.

 

[Tarzan]

I find it funny how so many pilots think flying is the only good job out there. Many know others who have good jobs that are not flying.

I think when someone makes these types of comments they are trying to justify why they stay in a job like ASA.

Sure it is not too bad but if a pilot is educated and has a good personality they have many other options than working a lot for a company that doesn't appriciate them like ASA.

So what is your justification then? I stay because I don't commute and I have time to wait for the right job to open up. Additionally, I have enough extra days off a month to build my business. And... I get a great office view.

For me, this is great job. Does it have issues? No doubt about it but I could be doing alot worse. I could still be digging trenches and dropping irrigation pipe into it for $8 an hour. I could still be in the Army worrying about whether or not my last patrol would be tomorrow. I could be stuck in a wheel chair. My kids are healthy and my bills are paid. So forgive me for not looking at the glass as half empty. I am thankful to be where I am right now but I am always looking down the road for something to better myself with.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Tarzan - you are right, but the lines stink because nobody is even trying to make them better. ASA says they don't have time to build better lines - so because one person does not want to stay up all night after Delta sends over the schedule, then 1,700 pilots have trips that average over 300 hours TAFB.

ASA is in contract negotiations and apparently has taken the position that if the pilots will not give on PBS, then let them suffer.

I'm looking forward to Scott Hall's memo which should address this subject. Of course, the memo is probably being timed for release depending on how the negotiations go this week in DC.

Sounds like the Company is putting more money on the table with no scope.

 

[jegermeister]

Tarzan - you are right, but the lines stink because nobody is even trying to make them better. ASA says they don't have time to build better lines - so because one person does not want to stay up all night after Delta sends over the schedule, then 1,700 pilots have trips that average over 300 hours TAFB.

ASA is in contract negotiations and apparently has taken the position that if the pilots will not give on PBS, then let them suffer.

I'm looking forward to Scott Hall's memo which should address this subject. Of course, the memo is probably being timed for release depending on how the negotiations go this week in DC.

Sounds like the Company is putting more money on the table with no scope.

Fins,

PBS would not change the schedules we have now. If they continue to build the same pairings, we would still have a lot of TAFB. PBS would help with integration. Which may help our schedules at the start of each month. The guys at Delta told me that PBS made their pilot group 10% more effecient. Sounds like 170 lost jobs to me. Or a 10% raise. As far as poor schedules and low morale, ASA is not in this alone. Ask your friends at any regional and you'll hear the same story. People are moving on everywhere and those us left behind are trying to pick up the slack.

 

[CFIse]

PBS would not change the schedules we have now. If they continue to build the same pairings, we would still have a lot of TAFB. PBS would help with integration. Which may help our schedules at the start of each month. The guys at Delta told me that PBS made their pilot group 10% more effecient. Sounds like 170 lost jobs to me. Or a 10% raise.

Right - crappy pairings, crappy lines, although with PBS, if you're senior you can at least build the "best" crappy line possible, while if you're junior you get to build a line of total crap. So you need some kind of contractual parameters around pairings to ensure PBS is a win for the pilots. Overall PBS without pairing parameters is neutral for the pilot group, although it's "better" for senior pilots and "worse" for junior pilots - in the end it's neutral overall. The company wants PBS because......

It makes pilot assignment efficient because it accounts for training, vacation, carry-over lines etc. when building the pilot line. So the company ends up with very little open time left over and pilots can't manipulate the bidding process to get additional days off - if the company wants you to fly 80 hours a bid you get 80 hours (or close to it) from PBS regardless of other events on your schedule. Most of the time reserves are used fairly inefficiently, so by reducing open time in theory reserves would be used more efficiently (mostly not used at all).

 

[nethan]

1,700 pilots have trips that average over 300 hours TAFB.

300 hours TAFB isn't so bad. Most of ours are around 320-370 TAFB for the month. Not to mention I don't think I've EVER seen a 4 day worth 24 hours.

 

[AMANSWORLD]

BLAH BLAH BLAH go work in the real world then see if you still feel the same. It's not forced though you can always bid naps, res, get a personal leave, etc.....

BLAH BLAH BLAH- Got a job in the real world makes more money home more time with friends and family. Keep drinking the koolaid over at the GO. The only people who will change ASA is the pilots and they have to have the testicular fortitude to do it not just talk about it on FLIGHTINFO.

I can tell you I was in the high 400's in senority when I left ASA in the beginning of the year and it was by far the best thing I have ever done. I had several offers flying RJ'S in other places for ALOT more money than I would ever mke at ASA, and guess what they treated me ALOT better than ASA!

All I will say for those of you looking to get out of ASA's crap of a company there are plenty of oppurtunities at much better places. I am now with a company flying 757/767's that typed me and started me at more than I would have made by far at ASA for 15 years.

Good Luck to All the pilot group at ASA. Only YOU can set your own standard.

 

[79%N1]

What company is that?

 

[jeroom]

BLAH BLAH BLAH- Got a job in the real world makes more money home more time with friends and family. Keep drinking the koolaid over at the GO. The only people who will change ASA is the pilots and they have to have the testicular fortitude to do it not just about it on FLIGHTINFO.

I can tell you I was in the high 400's in senority when I left ASA in the beginning of the year and it was by far the best thing I have ever done. I had several offers flying RJ'S in other places for ALOT more money than I would ever mke at ASA, and guess what they treated me ALOT better than ASA!

All I will say for those of you looking to get out of ASA's crap of a company there are plenty of oppurtunities at much better places. I am now with a company flying 757/767's that typed me and started me at more than I would have made by far at ASA for 15 years.

Good Luck to All the pilot group at ASA. Only YOU can set your own standard.

Are you from Brooklyn, NY ?

 

[blueridge71]

I agree. If you can't get to a major, get to a fractional. I left ASA and never regretted it.

 

[AMANSWORLD]

Are you from Brooklyn, NY ?

Not from Brooklyn.

My point to the "Qualified Pilots" at ASA is you need to be looking elsewhere trust when I say there are ALOT better oppurtunities out there. Bashing on management at ASA is fun but will not get you anything but pissed off. My suggestion is stick it to them, the union, and the mediator.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Are you from Brooklyn, NY ?

You got a friggin problem with Brooklyn?!!!