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Now that I have time, I'll make a more elaborate comment.

The Eclipse has potential to change aviation, we've all read the reports.
The first victum will be Beech Baron and certain King Airs. Yes I know
that the Super 350 has MUCH more room and other properties, I mean
90' to 200's. Even though the King airs have more room, many will prefer
the reputation a jet brings. Not everything boils down to cost and
performance, pride is a major factor in a purchase.

King Air 350's and Avanti's cannot properly be compared to the VLJ's.
Their price and weight class is more than double the VLJ's.

The VLJ's also vary greatly within its own class. There is a major
difference between the Diamond jet, Javillin, Eclipse, Adam Jet, Mustang
and Phenom. Each one can replace a relatively specific segment in 91 or
135 aviation.

The Eclipse and Adam Jet will likely be rather sucessful replacing the small
135 Barons, Navajo/Cheiftain, Twin Cessna markets and possibly their turbo
prop counterparts (Conquest, Chyenne, etc).

Another big win is maintenance. Maintenance on an Eclipse is likely much less
than on a twin cessna or older turbo prop. Deaprture reliability will also make
a leap forward.

What the VLJ revolution will most likely do is finally kill off the piston engine
for everything except light singles and training twins and make the turbo
prop less dominant in the less than 300nm segments. They WILL NOT push
out many other jets. Mabie older Citations and Beach jets should be targeted
as well as MU-2 owners.

Finally, understand that certain routes may not be welcoming the VLJ's. For
instance, the northeast and LA areas. They are already saturated and may
not welcome (for instance TEB) a bunch of little tiny jets buying 50 gallons
at a time clogging up the works. However, the Central NJ to Maine or
Nauntucket or Tennessee would work perfectly.

It's a new tool for a new job that just happens to be useful in other areas.

CE
 
I seen the eclipse at jet aviation in BED. I thought it was extremely small. It was the size of a Baron, with a small baggage compartment. I was wondering how this aircraft could be practical for 135 ops. With 2 pilots, 4 pax's, it would primarily be used for day trips since there is little baggage room. I wonder if insurence companies will approve single pilot ops for 135?

Also, by the size of the baggage compartment, I can see many 135 ops busting regulations by not stowing luggage properly. What I mean is by having baggage stuffed all around the cabin.
 
Now that I have time, I'll make a more elaborate comment.

The Eclipse has potential to change aviation, we've all read the reports.
The first victum will be Beech Baron and certain King Airs. Yes I know
that the Super 350 has MUCH more room and other properties, I mean
90' to 200's. Even though the King airs have more room, many will prefer
the reputation a jet brings. Not everything boils down to cost and
performance, pride is a major factor in a purchase.

King Air 350's and Avanti's cannot properly be compared to the VLJ's.
Their price and weight class is more than double the VLJ's.

The VLJ's also vary greatly within its own class. There is a major
difference between the Diamond jet, Javillin, Eclipse, Adam Jet, Mustang
and Phenom. Each one can replace a relatively specific segment in 91 or
135 aviation.

The Eclipse and Adam Jet will likely be rather sucessful replacing the small
135 Barons, Navajo/Cheiftain, Twin Cessna markets and possibly their turbo
prop counterparts (Conquest, Chyenne, etc).

Another big win is maintenance. Maintenance on an Eclipse is likely much less
than on a twin cessna or older turbo prop. Deaprture reliability will also make
a leap forward.

What the VLJ revolution will most likely do is finally kill off the piston engine
for everything except light singles and training twins and make the turbo
prop less dominant in the less than 300nm segments. They WILL NOT push
out many other jets. Mabie older Citations and Beach jets should be targeted
as well as MU-2 owners.

Finally, understand that certain routes may not be welcoming the VLJ's. For
instance, the northeast and LA areas. They are already saturated and may
not welcome (for instance TEB) a bunch of little tiny jets buying 50 gallons
at a time clogging up the works. However, the Central NJ to Maine or
Nauntucket or Tennessee would work perfectly.

It's a new tool for a new job that just happens to be useful in other areas.

CE


With all that being said, lets not put the cart before the horse. We still dont know the real economics of the airplane until it has been in service for a little while. What are the real maintance costs of this booger gonna be, is it gonna end up another ballyhooed non-performer....wait and see
 
The Eclipse is, at one end of a spectrum, a shiny toy for doctors who are tired of crashing V-tailed Bonanzas and want something to crash faster. This part of the promse will be met, no doubt.

At the other end of the spectrum, it's being touted as a "revolution" that will blanket the skies with Air Taxi service for the masses. It will take years for this to either be proven or disproven.

In the middle, well, an Eclipse certainly can't "out work" a King Air, but a lot of folks don't care; for a 400 nm mission, two or three people, and a few small bags (which probably covers 75% of corporate travel these days) the Eclipse might suffice quite nicely for some.

There must be something worth doing at the small end of the spectum; the Citation Mustang proves that (though it's bigger than the Eclipse, of course). Cessna knows a thing or two about bizjets, I heard they've made one or two in their time...

A lot of us laghed when Robinson came out with its tiny helicopters, and I, personally, have no attraction to them, but they were CHEAP and are now a legendary success story in aviation. That very well may be the case for the Eclipse; it's a cheap CHEAP jet, and if they can surmount insurance issues, then they might succeed.
 
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The Eclipse is, at one end of a spectrum, a shiny toy for doctors who are tired of crashing V-tailed Bonanzas and want something to crash faster.

I laughed.

(going to hell)

((window seat please))

CE
 

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