For those who defended the pilot of the Carlsbad C560 Crash.........

[CelticCitation]

Just reread the article that restarted this thread. The author states how he had the accident pilot tell him how he scud ran into one of the most difficult airports in the country, and didn't call him on it. Then he's man enough to write an article in a respected magazine renouncing him. This is embarrassing to me, as I had seen the same pilot do the same thing. I also did nothing to prevent it.

Now anyone can critique their judgement, yet no one did anything before it happened. Saying that you would have done this or that in the same situation is irrelevent. This wasn't an accident that we can look at, and learn to be better pilots. Anyone with a student pilot certificate knows you can't push an airplane on at twice approach speed, and make it work out. What we need to learn from this accident is how to deal with these "cowboys," and how to keep them from killing others, if not just themselves.

The article talked extensively about what the problem was, but not how to fix it. I personally am going to start talking to those I see making illegal and dangerous decisions. I really don't care what anyone thinks who wants to rehash what happened in this particular accident. I still don't defend their actions. I also don't defend the actions of those on this site, and in the magazines, and even myself, for letting this type of action sully our profession, and then strutting around like we're superior because our own stupidity hasn't killed us yet.

Shame on all of us.

 

[CapnVegetto]

What does this remind you of???

Duuuuude!! F*ck!!! 410!!! Duuuude!!!

 

[pilotviolin]

This is embarrassing to me, as I had seen the same pilot do the same thing. I also did nothing to prevent it.

I personally am going to start talking to those I see making illegal and dangerous decisions. I really don't care what anyone thinks who wants to rehash what happened in this particular accident. I still don't defend their actions. I also don't defend the actions of those on this site, and in the magazines, and even myself, for letting this type of action sully our profession, and then strutting around like we're superior because our own stupidity hasn't killed us yet.

Shame on all of us.

I think it is a Catch 22. Do you confront someone you think is stupid cowboy pilot, or let people die? How do you not let it turn into a witch hunt? It sure would be bad if someone started make accusations that weren't true about you because in their mind they think your a cowboy. What if another pilot came up to your boss and told them that you were going to ruin his Lear because you didn't wipe the struts down after each flight. (a thread that was on here about 6 months ago.) Or having your pilots fly at 470 is going to kill everyone someday. (You fly a G550, and they fly a CRJ200)

We all know of cowboy pilots. I know one right now that has landed a Gulfstream on a 5000' runway in the middle of the night on an unlighted runway in the mountains, and it wasn't a full moon. Or brags about flying for 3 days striaght without more than 5 hour breaks between flights. How do I stop them? Tell the FAA? Tell their boss? Should I go try to ruin their career before they kill someone?

 

[SonicPig]

Can anyone PM me a copy of the article? I don't get the magazine.

Thanks.

 

[G100driver]

Good question.

Get him to tell one of his stories in front of a group then call him a fool, in front of the group. He will have a hard time defending his actions if put on the defensive.

Who cares if you come across as a jerk, unless you are looking for his and others like him approvals.

 

[cjdriver]

Capnvegetto, I have to know. Are you referring to the Pinnacle crew in the CRJ just before they blew them both out?

 

[TriStar_drvr]

Has anyone been following the CE-560 (is that an Ultra?) crash at Cable Airport in Upland Claifornia that happened Saturday? Aircraft ended up in a field west of the airport (RWY 6/24), and was destroyed by fire. Three onboard have critical injuries. Pilot, along with wife and daughter were the occupants. Witnesses say aircraft briefly touched down, then engine sound increased, then crashed off the end of the runway.

I'm suprised there hasn't been any mention of this here.