For Pete's sake make it stop!!!!

[DAS at 10/250]

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Originally Posted by earl
Well center won't release you if someone is inbound unless they have cancelled. Making 8 calls is a Pi$$ poor idea. How many other airports are they interferring with? And all this bashing about 152 drivers, just because you fly a 1900 for Lakes doesn't mean you're weren't flying a 152 for a living just a couple weeks before.

By the way Red Truck wine is FRKN FNTSTIC!!


earl

Doesn't sound like you have a lot of corporate experience, although I may be wrong.

There are several west Texas airports (especially in the hill country) that are prone to having a 2-3000' ceiling but center cannot see or hear you well until 4-5000'. So, single pilot ops, call center get the release, call CTAF any traffic please advise (as I was off line for 5 minutes), listen, look, and launch.

And yes, center will release you with no other IFR traffic but that doesn't mean that their isn't a VFR guy on downwind.

 

[Captain Overs]

Dude, that wasn't great lakes.

Trans States

 

[Morning Wood]

Trans States

It was Great Lakes.

 

[earl]

Doesn't sound like you have a lot of corporate experience, although I may be wrong.

There are several west Texas airports (especially in the hill country) that are prone to having a 2-3000' ceiling but center cannot see or hear you well until 4-5000'. So, single pilot ops, call center get the release, call CTAF any traffic please advise (as I was off line for 5 minutes), listen, look, and launch.

And yes, center will release you with no other IFR traffic but that doesn't mean that their isn't a VFR guy on downwind.

Did you not read what I wrote?? Center will not release you IFR if they have an inbound close to your airport who is also IFR. If they can pick you up immediately after t/o you may be released but if not you have to wait until the inbound cancels.

earl

 

[Wasted]

The "for a full stop" portion makes me laugh. Talk about a waste of breath.

You know what, a few months ago, after I made a position call on final going into Gunnison as Jetlink XXXX, some guy in a cessna asked us whether we were going to be a full stop or touch and go. They're out there, the hapless and clueless. At these uncontrolled airports, you can't assume that what is obvious to you is going to be obvious to some 50 hr yokel in a cessna.

 

[Captain Overs]

It was Great Lakes.

I stand corrected. Thanks.

 

[SPIM]

gt1900 says Guys in 152's don't always realize when a 1900 comes in at 248 KIAS you can eat up a lot of ground real fast




B1900 at 248 knots whatever

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Oh,
"Guys in 152's don't always realize when a 1900 comes in at 248 KIAS"
Sounds like careless and reckless to me.
Jeezzzsh
PBR
Whatever happened to blending in with the flow of traffic.

P.S."Trust me, when you almost tee-bone some jerk because he didn't make any radio calls"
Are radio calls required? see and avoid? do you ever wonder why other pilots think you are tools! This is not 50 missions over Berlin!
Amazing!
PBR

 

[Cardinal]

Ye of little faith. Vmo is 248 Kias, which it'll do in level flight near sea level, and at higher elevations in a gentle descent. It'll true 285 in the teens.

 

[gt1900]

Hey spim....Obviously you know nothing about the 1900 so unless your joking, don't make yourself look like an @ss when you don't know what you are talking about!!! BTW. When going into Alamosa ATC looses you on radar between 17,000 ft and 14,000 ft. So they are useless for advising if they see anyone on radar. 248 inbound is also not careless and reckless. You can get cleared for the visual when you are 35 miles out and a lot of times that's when you are decending through 180! As long as you slow several miles before you get to the pattern, I don't consider that careless and reckless. Plus a lot of the time you are gonna go straight in at ALS because of where you are coming from and the direction of the airport! PBR.... I have been on the downwind and had a cherokee cut right infront of me at 1500ft agl (remember they are supposed to fly a 1000ft pattern), and when you are doing 180 in the pattern and they are doing 100, it makes you realize that its better to CYA than make to many radio calls!! Remember guys, all those radio calls aren't for the people who know what they are doing. They are for the sunday drivers who don't have a clue!!

 

[propjockey]

P.S."Trust me, when you almost tee-bone some jerk because he didn't make any radio calls"
Are radio calls required? see and avoid? do you ever wonder why other pilots think you are tools! This is not 50 missions over Berlin!
Amazing!
PBR

PBR -- Not sure if I'm reading you right, so I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. But it sounds to me like you're saying "if it's legal, it must be safe."

It can be very challenging to see other traffic, especially the small ones, and ESPECIALLY if they're not talking to anyone and don't have/use a transponder. How many times have you had trouble finding a 767 (let alone a 172) when ATC and/or TCAS is telling you right where to look? I have asked other traffic (that I was in radio contact with) before at uncontrolled fields to "please turn on your transponder so we can see where you are." So far I have never been denied.

After some of my experiences, I think all GA traffic operating in and out of an airport served by a 121 carrier should be REQUIRED to HAVE and USE both radio and mode C transponder.

Nobody's saying we ever flew the PATTERN in the 1900 at 248 kts. What gt1900 said is absolutely correct, and the ALS thing is a very good example. Even at 200 kts, we're moving at about 2x or more the pattern speed of the piston singles. This speed is appropriate for the airplane. It is not reckless or careless.

 

[EMB170Pilot]

I sure miss Gulfstream making radio calls in the bahamas saying. "Marsh Harbour traffic gulfstream beech 1900 on a 5 mile final for 9 Marsh Harbour."

Actuality.... They are on a 10 mile final and hold everyone up and that happens on a daily basis. What!! You stupid PFT cant tell the difference between 5 miles and 10???????

 

[tattoo13]

hey earl


Let your Wh*re mother know what kinda of a Dip Sh!t she raised...Sorry that your father beat the two of you

 

[earl]

hey earl


Let your Wh*re mother know what kinda of a Dip Sh!t she raised...Sorry that your father beat the two of you

Wow the pent up frustration. Listen don't be upset at working for Lakes. You can gain some valuable experience there and then move on. There is a silver lining to working at Lakes, much like the one I left on your mothers lips the other day. The weirdest thing was she was calling your name the whole time.

Do you have one eye and walk with a hunch-back??

earl

 

[tattoo13]

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Take my words...twists them around and Wow that was orginal...Come on are you so ungodly dumb you cant do better than that!!!!!!!!!!!! But then again you just may be by your post!!!!

 

[Cardinal]

Deep breath, say it with me; "Serenity Now!"

 

[earl]

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Take my words...twists them around and Wow that was orginal...Come on are you so ungodly dumb you cant do better than that!!!!!!!!!!!! But then again you just may be by your post!!!!

O.K...You know how to get your mother pregnant???

Fill one of her shoes and let the flies do the rest.

earl