FO pay year 1-3 adjusted for inflation

labbats

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The following is current pay rates put into a calculator to show 1990 dollars. This is what you would have been paid in 1990 if wages were set side by side and adjusted for current inflation.

I hope this clarifies for some of you veterans of the industry where we stand now.


American MD80 FO 1st year- $20.14/hr
American MD80 FO 2nd year- $43.17
American MD80 FO 3rd year- $51.81

Delta MD80 FO 1st year- $29.93/hr
Delta MD80 FO 2nd year- $41.44
Delta MD80 FO 3rd year- $48.93

United 737 FO 1st year- $18.42/hr
United 737 FO 2nd year- $29.93
United 737 FO 3rd year- 43.17

US Air 737 FO 1st year- $14.39/hr
US Air 737 FO 2nd year- $32.81
US Air 737 FO 3rd year- $35.69


Regionals


American Eagle Jet FO 1st year- $14.39/hr
American Eagle Jet FO 2nd year- $18.99
American Eagle Jet FO 3rd year- $20.72

Express Jet FO 1st year- $13.24/hr
Express Jet FO 2nd year- $19.57
Express Jet FO 3rd year- $21.29

Mesa Jet FO 1st year- $12.66/hr
Mesa Jet FO 2nd year- $16.69
Mesa Jet FO 3rd year- $18.42

Skywest Jet FO 1st year- $12.66/hr
Skywest Jet FO 2nd year- $20.14
Skywest Jet FO 3rd year- $21.29

Colgan FO 1st year- $12.08/hr
Colgan FO 2nd year- $14.96
Colgan FO 3rd year- $15.54
 

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Any chance you can do it for CAL..
737 and 756 FO?

Or can you send me the link so I can do it myself!?

Thanks
Motch

PS> Amazing to see.. great job
 

labbats

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Any chance you can do it for CAL..
737 and 756 FO?
No problem....

CAL FO SN 1st year- $17.84
CAL FO SN 2nd year- $32.81
CAL FO SN 3rd year- $38.57

CAL FO LN 1st year- $17.84
CAL FO LN 2nd year- $37.41
CAL FO LN 3rd year- $43.75
 

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So.. to find an estimated annual salary we can roughly multiply hourly wage by 1000 (hours).

Example: US Air 737 FO 1st year- $14.39/hr times 1000 = $14,000 first year salary.

(did I get the math right?)
 

mynameisjim

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So an American Eagle ERJ FO and a US Airways 737 FO make the same pay this first year?
 

NEDude

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Anyone have what pay rates were like in 1990, so we can see it the other way around - if pay had kept up with inflation.
 

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Keeping up with inflation? Hahahahahahahahaha....Good one.

1992-93 NWA Max. Captain/ 747 = $187,500/Annual Guarantee ( FAPA -1993 )

" $187,500.00 in 1992 had about the same buying power as $285,845.72 ( what he should be making adjusted for inflation ) in 2009. Annual inflation over this period was about 2.51%."


Source: http://www.dollartimes.com/calculators/inflation.htm


Sad. But TRUE.

Now, GET THIS Kids:

That same Captain TODAY makes.....$164,016 / Annual Guarantee ( APC - 2009 )

OR, in reverse:

"$164,016.00 ( what he is making ) in 2009 had about the same buying power as $107,586.01 in 1992. Annual inflation over this period was about 2.51%."

NOW, do you all understand just how F-cked this so-called "profession" has become and how FAR we have fallen?

Effectively then, the individual in the above example is working for approx. 57% less than they were almost 20 years ago.

Hmmm...and the CEO?

I wanna fcking puke.


YKMKR
 
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Even the "Phallically Challenged" non-aviators understand:


Expert:
Dottie Norkus - 4/2/2008

Question
Hi Dottie,

Is airline pay so low because there isn't a lot of demand? Why the low wages?

Answer
James

Since the 'old days' portrayed in Catch Me If You Can, the compensation for airline pilots has decreased quite a bit. Pay is lower than in years past because of a few factors.

Pay scales are negotiated between the company and the pilots union. At pay negotiation time, the airlines start out low and the pilots start out high and hope to meet at a figure somewhere in between. Kinda like buying a house and using comps for the area. A starting point for asking pay rates is what the other airlines pay for similar equipment. If one airline pays less, than the negotiating airline will be sure to use their low rate as a starting point. Over the years, as this business has become more and more competitive and costs have increased, management asks their labor groups to take pay cuts or demands them at labor contract negotiation time. The pilot group may even give wage concessions to keep other benefits of their contract in tact. This is how the pay scales themselves get lowered from higher rates.

Why do the pilots agree to such low rates? At the major carriers, many used the post 9/11 economic fallout to get significant pay cuts from pilots. It seems in the media pilots are portrayed as being greedy while management suffers to pay them because people have the impression that they still "make a lot of money". Well, that is very relative to the airline you work for, equipment you fly and most importantly how long you have worked there. Here is a link with many interesting and informational pay related documents created by the American Airlines pilot union: http://www.apanegotiations.com/HotItems/Documents/tabid/72/Default.aspx

Note "1992 vs. 2007 Pay Comparison" document. Pilots at AA now make LESS than they did 16 years ago in 1992!

Also, like anything else, it comes down to supply and demand. This is the reason why starting pilot pay at the regionals is so low. An airline pays low wages? So what. If you don't like it you can quit because there is a line of people behind you who want your job. The lower they pay, the more attractive a regional can be to a major as they are cheaper than competitors to provide feed to the major, thereby reducing the major airlines costs.

Hope this can shed a bit of light on the subject,
Dottie


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What's WRONG with YOU people?

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Whine Lover

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" So.. to find an estimated annual salary we can roughly multiply hourly wage by 1000 (hours)."

NO.

You multiply - Hourly Rate x Annual Guarantee = Annual salary

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Who has a better Pay scale?

- Continental

- Delta

( Oooh, Ooooh, I know Mr. Kotter! Siddown, Horshack .)

Continental Max. Capt. = $193.00/ hr x 72 hrs x 12 = $166,752 Annually

Delta Max. Capt. = $201/hr x 65 hrs x 12 = $156,780 Annually


DOH!


YKW
 
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Thank ALPA and deregulation.
The Government loves to take over, and after this 3407 they probably will to some extent.
 

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Thank ALPA and deregulation.
The Government loves to take over, and after this 3407 they probably will to some extent.

No they won't. Nothing will change. This will blow over once people realize, "Hey, if we do this, people aren't going to be able to afford to fly, hurting economic recovery...blah blah blah"

This will blow over.
 
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