FO Pay for JetBlue

[CheckandSet]

Only reason ups pays well is that no one in there right mind would fly all freaking night long! I jumpseated the other night and it was depressing the thought of doing a round trip to ONT !

You tell'em Louie- if you don't like it leave!! There are Jobs out there that are alot worse then Jetblue! Sorry, this was on the page prior!

 

[FLYfishin]

Only reason ups pays well is that no one in there right mind would fly all freaking night long! I jumpseated the other night and it was depressing the thought of doing a round trip to ONT !

You tell'em Louie- if you don't like it leave!! There are Jobs out there that are alot worse then Jetblue! Sorry, this was on the page prior!

Alright, I'll take the bait.....The reason UPS pays so much is because we make $5 Billion a year in profit and we have a strong Union -- two things JB doesn't have. Don't get me wrong, I loved working for JetBlue. I was just annoyed that UPS was brought into this thread.

 

[Jet41]

Then stop posting in this thread.

 

[TheCheat]

Here's my story...

I ended up turning down the job offer after thinking long and hard about it. (I had 2.5 months) If they had contacted me a week after the interview, with the excitement still fresh, I would have gone, but I had a lot of time to think and...

Basically, 5th yr 190CA makes the same hourly rate I'd be making as a 14 yr CA at my regional. (from Airlinepilotcentral.com. Yeah, I know, time and a half...) And that's without the years as an FO making less. There's no real profit until A320CA, and Dean M. the fleet manager said *in my interview* that that could be 10 years. Top that with commuting to JFK from a non - JB city, and the choice eventually made itself.

It's really too bad. I love JB and think I would be very happy there. What I don't love is NYC, (in fact, I despise the place) or the thought of commuting for the rest of my career. I heard "just wait 2 years and move to FLL," but remember, when you upgrade it's back to NYC for a much longer period.

This is not intended as flame bait, or to talk anyone out of JB. As I said, I truly admire the company, but for me it came down to the slow "return on investment." And the commuting thing. I'm lucky enough now that I don't commute and never have. As I get older I feel that it's something I just don't wish to deal with for more than my first year with a new company.

Good luck with your decision...

 

[WabiSabi]

Alright, I'll take the bait.....The reason UPS pays so much is because we make $5 Billion a year in profit and we have a strong Union -- two things JB doesn't have. Don't get me wrong, I loved working for JetBlue. I was just annoyed that UPS was brought into this thread.

Lighten up pal. You're making a mountain out of a mole hill. I don't think anyone was dissing UPS. It was simply a comparison for first year FO pay, nothing else. Take it in same context as if it was worded;
"Even the great UPS's first year FO pay is lower." Now get some sleep.

 

[My Man SMITH!]

What does UPS have to do with JetBlue first year pay? He didn't anser the question. I've worked at both companies -- there is no comparison.

No comparison in CULTURE either. But hey, it's all about the paycheck and good for you. As long as you are happy that's all that matters. To me, it's not all about the money. I feel very respected and appreciated here and I am happy. Happy Holidays!

 

[johnsonrod]

Here's my story...

I ended up turning down the job offer after thinking long and hard about it. (I had 2.5 months) If they had contacted me a week after the interview, with the excitement still fresh, I would have gone, but I had a lot of time to think and...

Basically, 5th yr 190CA makes the same hourly rate I'd be making as a 14 yr CA at my regional. (from Airlinepilotcentral.com. Yeah, I know, time and a half...) And that's without the years as an FO making less. There's no real profit until A320CA, and Dean M. the fleet manager said *in my interview* that that could be 10 years. Top that with commuting to JFK from a non - JB city, and the choice eventually made itself.

It's really too bad. I love JB and think I would be very happy there. What I don't love is NYC, (in fact, I despise the place) or the thought of commuting for the rest of my career. I heard "just wait 2 years and move to FLL," but remember, when you upgrade it's back to NYC for a much longer period.

This is not intended as flame bait, or to talk anyone out of JB. As I said, I truly admire the company, but for me it came down to the slow "return on investment." And the commuting thing. I'm lucky enough now that I don't commute and never have. As I get older I feel that it's something I just don't wish to deal with for more than my first year with a new company.

Good luck with your decision...

Excellent post. I like how you considered the long term ROI implications - that's rare nowadays. If you are still interested in leaving your regional (I know I am), Netjets is hiring and their new TA is pretty compelling for newhires from what I have seen. Delta and SWA look pretty good too.

Good luck!

 

[clickclickboom]

Here's my story...

I ended up turning down the job offer after thinking long and hard about it. (I had 2.5 months) If they had contacted me a week after the interview, with the excitement still fresh, I would have gone, but I had a lot of time to think and...

Basically, 5th yr 190CA makes the same hourly rate I'd be making as a 14 yr CA at my regional. (from Airlinepilotcentral.com. Yeah, I know, time and a half...) And that's without the years as an FO making less. There's no real profit until A320CA, and Dean M. the fleet manager said *in my interview* that that could be 10 years. Top that with commuting to JFK from a non - JB city, and the choice eventually made itself.

It's really too bad. I love JB and think I would be very happy there. What I don't love is NYC, (in fact, I despise the place) or the thought of commuting for the rest of my career. I heard "just wait 2 years and move to FLL," but remember, when you upgrade it's back to NYC for a much longer period.

This is not intended as flame bait, or to talk anyone out of JB. As I said, I truly admire the company, but for me it came down to the slow "return on investment." And the commuting thing. I'm lucky enough now that I don't commute and never have. As I get older I feel that it's something I just don't wish to deal with for more than my first year with a new company.

Good luck with your decision...

Great Post.. You need to send an email to dean or verna and explain that to them so it will expedite improvements for furure new hire pilots.. That has been the biggest question now that upgrade times have increased. Stay at a regional as a ca or go to the bottom of jetblue or another airline.

Jb is a great company but our current payscales assumed a quick upgrade. Now that it has increased management knows that they need to have more longevity raises so lets see how long it takes..??

 

[My Man SMITH!]

Here's my story...

I ended up turning down the job offer after thinking long and hard about it. (I had 2.5 months) If they had contacted me a week after the interview, with the excitement still fresh, I would have gone, but I had a lot of time to think and...

Basically, 5th yr 190CA makes the same hourly rate I'd be making as a 14 yr CA at my regional. (from Airlinepilotcentral.com. Yeah, I know, time and a half...) And that's without the years as an FO making less. There's no real profit until A320CA, and Dean M. the fleet manager said *in my interview* that that could be 10 years. Top that with commuting to JFK from a non - JB city, and the choice eventually made itself.

It's really too bad. I love JB and think I would be very happy there. What I don't love is NYC, (in fact, I despise the place) or the thought of commuting for the rest of my career. I heard "just wait 2 years and move to FLL," but remember, when you upgrade it's back to NYC for a much longer period.

This is not intended as flame bait, or to talk anyone out of JB. As I said, I truly admire the company, but for me it came down to the slow "return on investment." And the commuting thing. I'm lucky enough now that I don't commute and never have. As I get older I feel that it's something I just don't wish to deal with for more than my first year with a new company.

Good luck with your decision...

Best of luck with your career and your decision. I can tell you firsthand, whether its Jetblue, SWA, CAL, or any other major, getting off the regional level itself is a huge difference. I've been here just over a year and I can tell you it's a night and day difference compared to being at a regional. If this company were to go away tomorrow, I wouldn't regret my decision one bit. This was a wake up call to me and I'm very glad it worked out. To each his own, but just something to think about.

 

[Caveman]

Best of luck with your career and your decision. I can tell you firsthand, whether its Jetblue, SWA, CAL, or any other major, getting off the regional level itself is a huge difference. I've been here just over a year and I can tell you it's a night and day difference compared to being at a regional. If this company were to go away tomorrow, I wouldn't regret my decision one bit. This was a wake up call to me and I'm very glad it worked out. To each his own, but just something to think about.

I agree. No comparison between being at JetBlue (or SWA, or Spirit, or any other LCC/Legacy) and being an RJ Captain. It's a different league. I know, I know. I thought differently when I was an RJ Captain too. Trust me, it's a very different world. I agree that in the short run the pay is similar, but it won't take long for the average pilot to make more at an LCC than what he was making at a regional. It's a tougher call if you have a lot of time invested at your regional (10+ years) and you live in domicile. I still think that for the majority of us leaving an RJ Captain seat to go to SWA, JB, Spirit, AirTran, etc is the smart move. There are exceptions. Everybody's circumstances are different. YMMV, but for me it worked out extremely well.