FO Pay for JetBlue

[Fins Up]

Take a deep breath folks. Yes, UPS pays a truckload of money to everyone...after their first year.

Yes, our stock is in the crapper. Some people are happy here. Some aren't. There are certainly better gigs out there. There are also jobs at the majors you could accept only to furloughed as the new guy when {pick your legacy airline} merges with {pick your legacy airline}. Who knows who will be around in the next decade.

In conclusion, UPS rates have nothing to do with ours. This job sucks - only compared to jobs that suck less. This job is awesome compared to other jobs that suck more.

 

[clickclickboom]

The golden handcuffs at your regional capt position are only plated and the gold will wear off..

Jetblue is still a young, dynamic, evolving company. We will be moving to our brand new terminal this time next year and rumor on the street is that terminal 6 will be refurbished and turned into an international terminal.

There is currently closed door negotiations with at least 2 major international carriers involving either a code share or possibly even an equity position.

I would say that either a merger with virgin or frontier is possible in the next few years but that is pure personal speculation.

JB is under new management and there is considerable effort being put into expanding the route structure by connecting our existing cities and adding select new cities. The goal being overflights of jfk. the company was only adding flights into jfk and they know this was an error

Email and text messaging coming soon, First Class seating coming soon,

My current QOL is exceptional. I am 43% on the 320 fo list been here just over 2 years holding 190 capt get between 15-19 days off a month nearly all commutable.

Made $49,000 yr 1, $62,000 yr 2 ( about 80 hrs avg per mo), will make about $82,000 this year

Get 5% guaranteed profit share and 100% match on 5% so the yr 3 package minus benefits is about $85-$90k gross.. figuring 90 hrs per month credit.

There is a union drive beginning for an inhouse union ( JBPA ) Which I will vote for.

Long term pay rates need to improve here as the 3 year upgrade in long gone.Our pay scale reflects the previous short upgrade times. I would go to the interview and if offered the job make a decision at thta time.

 

[Mongolikecandy]

I would go to the interview and if offered the job make a decision at thta time.

That's my plan. Don't want to put the cart before the horse. Thanks fort he input.
Mongo

 

[Headfake14]

I was in a similar boat...yr 9 pay at ASA at 67/hr. Now at 47/hr. ugh... Ya gotta trim off the "fat" a bit. We got rid of True Green, combined cell phone plans, pimping the wife out...ect.

I like it here...some will cry and b!tch. Yes, improvements need to happen, but with us only being 7 yrs old, getting a handle on growth, I believe JB will be an awesome place to be. Pay will get up there, just might take a bit...Health Ins...well, I had better coverage at ASA, I'll be very vocal about that when I'm asked on the company surveys.

Good luck, it's pretty fun here.

 

[Headfake14]

The golden handcuffs at your regional capt position are only plated and the gold will wear off..

Jetblue is still a young, dynamic, evolving company. We will be moving to our brand new terminal this time next year and rumor on the street is that terminal 6 will be refurbished and turned into an international terminal.

There is currently closed door negotiations with at least 2 major international carriers involving either a code share or possibly even an equity position.

I would say that either a merger with virgin or frontier is possible in the next few years but that is pure personal speculation.

JB is under new management and there is considerable effort being put into expanding the route structure by connecting our existing cities and adding select new cities. The goal being overflights of jfk. the company was only adding flights into jfk and they know this was an error

Email and text messaging coming soon, First Class seating coming soon,

My current QOL is exceptional. I am 43% on the 320 fo list been here just over 2 years holding 190 capt get between 15-19 days off a month nearly all commutable.

Made $49,000 yr 1, $62,000 yr 2 ( about 80 hrs avg per mo), will make about $82,000 this year

Get 5% guaranteed profit share and 100% match on 5% so the yr 3 package minus benefits is about $85-$90k gross.. figuring 90 hrs per month credit.

There is a union drive beginning for an inhouse union ( JBPA ) Which I will vote for.

Long term pay rates need to improve here as the 3 year upgrade in long gone.Our pay scale reflects the previous short upgrade times. I would go to the interview and if offered the job make a decision at thta time.

Hey brother blue...where have you gotten your "intel" from regarding the old T6 and merger stuff. PM me if you want...thats the first I've heard those rumors

 

[CheckandSet]

Only reason ups pays well is that no one in there right mind would fly all freaking night long! I jumpseated the other night and it was depressing the thought of doing a round trip to ONT !

You tell'em Louie- if you don't like it leave!! There are Jobs out there that are alot worse then Jetblue! Sorry, this was on the page prior!

 

[FLYfishin]

Only reason ups pays well is that no one in there right mind would fly all freaking night long! I jumpseated the other night and it was depressing the thought of doing a round trip to ONT !

You tell'em Louie- if you don't like it leave!! There are Jobs out there that are alot worse then Jetblue! Sorry, this was on the page prior!

Alright, I'll take the bait.....The reason UPS pays so much is because we make $5 Billion a year in profit and we have a strong Union -- two things JB doesn't have. Don't get me wrong, I loved working for JetBlue. I was just annoyed that UPS was brought into this thread.

 

[Jet41]

Then stop posting in this thread.

 

[TheCheat]

Here's my story...

I ended up turning down the job offer after thinking long and hard about it. (I had 2.5 months) If they had contacted me a week after the interview, with the excitement still fresh, I would have gone, but I had a lot of time to think and...

Basically, 5th yr 190CA makes the same hourly rate I'd be making as a 14 yr CA at my regional. (from Airlinepilotcentral.com. Yeah, I know, time and a half...) And that's without the years as an FO making less. There's no real profit until A320CA, and Dean M. the fleet manager said *in my interview* that that could be 10 years. Top that with commuting to JFK from a non - JB city, and the choice eventually made itself.

It's really too bad. I love JB and think I would be very happy there. What I don't love is NYC, (in fact, I despise the place) or the thought of commuting for the rest of my career. I heard "just wait 2 years and move to FLL," but remember, when you upgrade it's back to NYC for a much longer period.

This is not intended as flame bait, or to talk anyone out of JB. As I said, I truly admire the company, but for me it came down to the slow "return on investment." And the commuting thing. I'm lucky enough now that I don't commute and never have. As I get older I feel that it's something I just don't wish to deal with for more than my first year with a new company.

Good luck with your decision...

 

[WabiSabi]

Alright, I'll take the bait.....The reason UPS pays so much is because we make $5 Billion a year in profit and we have a strong Union -- two things JB doesn't have. Don't get me wrong, I loved working for JetBlue. I was just annoyed that UPS was brought into this thread.

Lighten up pal. You're making a mountain out of a mole hill. I don't think anyone was dissing UPS. It was simply a comparison for first year FO pay, nothing else. Take it in same context as if it was worded;
"Even the great UPS's first year FO pay is lower." Now get some sleep.

 

[My Man SMITH!]

What does UPS have to do with JetBlue first year pay? He didn't anser the question. I've worked at both companies -- there is no comparison.

No comparison in CULTURE either. But hey, it's all about the paycheck and good for you. As long as you are happy that's all that matters. To me, it's not all about the money. I feel very respected and appreciated here and I am happy. Happy Holidays!

 

[johnsonrod]

Here's my story...

I ended up turning down the job offer after thinking long and hard about it. (I had 2.5 months) If they had contacted me a week after the interview, with the excitement still fresh, I would have gone, but I had a lot of time to think and...

Basically, 5th yr 190CA makes the same hourly rate I'd be making as a 14 yr CA at my regional. (from Airlinepilotcentral.com. Yeah, I know, time and a half...) And that's without the years as an FO making less. There's no real profit until A320CA, and Dean M. the fleet manager said *in my interview* that that could be 10 years. Top that with commuting to JFK from a non - JB city, and the choice eventually made itself.

It's really too bad. I love JB and think I would be very happy there. What I don't love is NYC, (in fact, I despise the place) or the thought of commuting for the rest of my career. I heard "just wait 2 years and move to FLL," but remember, when you upgrade it's back to NYC for a much longer period.

This is not intended as flame bait, or to talk anyone out of JB. As I said, I truly admire the company, but for me it came down to the slow "return on investment." And the commuting thing. I'm lucky enough now that I don't commute and never have. As I get older I feel that it's something I just don't wish to deal with for more than my first year with a new company.

Good luck with your decision...

Excellent post. I like how you considered the long term ROI implications - that's rare nowadays. If you are still interested in leaving your regional (I know I am), Netjets is hiring and their new TA is pretty compelling for newhires from what I have seen. Delta and SWA look pretty good too.

Good luck!

 

[clickclickboom]

Here's my story...

I ended up turning down the job offer after thinking long and hard about it. (I had 2.5 months) If they had contacted me a week after the interview, with the excitement still fresh, I would have gone, but I had a lot of time to think and...

Basically, 5th yr 190CA makes the same hourly rate I'd be making as a 14 yr CA at my regional. (from Airlinepilotcentral.com. Yeah, I know, time and a half...) And that's without the years as an FO making less. There's no real profit until A320CA, and Dean M. the fleet manager said *in my interview* that that could be 10 years. Top that with commuting to JFK from a non - JB city, and the choice eventually made itself.

It's really too bad. I love JB and think I would be very happy there. What I don't love is NYC, (in fact, I despise the place) or the thought of commuting for the rest of my career. I heard "just wait 2 years and move to FLL," but remember, when you upgrade it's back to NYC for a much longer period.

This is not intended as flame bait, or to talk anyone out of JB. As I said, I truly admire the company, but for me it came down to the slow "return on investment." And the commuting thing. I'm lucky enough now that I don't commute and never have. As I get older I feel that it's something I just don't wish to deal with for more than my first year with a new company.

Good luck with your decision...

Great Post.. You need to send an email to dean or verna and explain that to them so it will expedite improvements for furure new hire pilots.. That has been the biggest question now that upgrade times have increased. Stay at a regional as a ca or go to the bottom of jetblue or another airline.

Jb is a great company but our current payscales assumed a quick upgrade. Now that it has increased management knows that they need to have more longevity raises so lets see how long it takes..??

 

[My Man SMITH!]

Here's my story...

I ended up turning down the job offer after thinking long and hard about it. (I had 2.5 months) If they had contacted me a week after the interview, with the excitement still fresh, I would have gone, but I had a lot of time to think and...

Basically, 5th yr 190CA makes the same hourly rate I'd be making as a 14 yr CA at my regional. (from Airlinepilotcentral.com. Yeah, I know, time and a half...) And that's without the years as an FO making less. There's no real profit until A320CA, and Dean M. the fleet manager said *in my interview* that that could be 10 years. Top that with commuting to JFK from a non - JB city, and the choice eventually made itself.

It's really too bad. I love JB and think I would be very happy there. What I don't love is NYC, (in fact, I despise the place) or the thought of commuting for the rest of my career. I heard "just wait 2 years and move to FLL," but remember, when you upgrade it's back to NYC for a much longer period.

This is not intended as flame bait, or to talk anyone out of JB. As I said, I truly admire the company, but for me it came down to the slow "return on investment." And the commuting thing. I'm lucky enough now that I don't commute and never have. As I get older I feel that it's something I just don't wish to deal with for more than my first year with a new company.

Good luck with your decision...

Best of luck with your career and your decision. I can tell you firsthand, whether its Jetblue, SWA, CAL, or any other major, getting off the regional level itself is a huge difference. I've been here just over a year and I can tell you it's a night and day difference compared to being at a regional. If this company were to go away tomorrow, I wouldn't regret my decision one bit. This was a wake up call to me and I'm very glad it worked out. To each his own, but just something to think about.

 

[Caveman]

Best of luck with your career and your decision. I can tell you firsthand, whether its Jetblue, SWA, CAL, or any other major, getting off the regional level itself is a huge difference. I've been here just over a year and I can tell you it's a night and day difference compared to being at a regional. If this company were to go away tomorrow, I wouldn't regret my decision one bit. This was a wake up call to me and I'm very glad it worked out. To each his own, but just something to think about.

I agree. No comparison between being at JetBlue (or SWA, or Spirit, or any other LCC/Legacy) and being an RJ Captain. It's a different league. I know, I know. I thought differently when I was an RJ Captain too. Trust me, it's a very different world. I agree that in the short run the pay is similar, but it won't take long for the average pilot to make more at an LCC than what he was making at a regional. It's a tougher call if you have a lot of time invested at your regional (10+ years) and you live in domicile. I still think that for the majority of us leaving an RJ Captain seat to go to SWA, JB, Spirit, AirTran, etc is the smart move. There are exceptions. Everybody's circumstances are different. YMMV, but for me it worked out extremely well.