Flying the Hajj

[zman]

Yep-

White Plains does blow, but go and fly the Hajj ad get back to me about these people......

You have no idea what complete scumbags you are defending. Go and meet a few of them-go and see how they will stone a woman to death after she is raped for "having _ex outside marriage." Maybe you should acquiant yourself with these people before saying they are like everyone else. They simply are not wired right-basic assumptions we all make about good vs. bad are not part of their culture.

-Perhaps you folks think stoning women to death for being raped is a good idea... I do not.

Just a question, are you stupid??

 

[tyuwerty]

I have done it twice... 97 and 98

The guys on the board have covered just about everything:

1. I have seen a fire lit for cooking. You have to rememer that some of these people may have never seen a car prior to this trip much less an airplane.

Good luck!

My favorite, is after some get off the planes and into the terminal at RUH, many have never seen an escalator before. It always results in a backed up line while people are trying to individually hop onto the first moving stair.

Yep-

White Plains does blow, but go and fly the Hajj ad get back to me about these people......

You have no idea what complete scumbags you are defending. Go and meet a few of them-go and see how they will stone a woman to death after she is raped for "having _ex outside marriage." Maybe you should acquiant yourself with these people before saying they are like everyone else. They simply are not wired right-basic assumptions we all make about good vs. bad are not part of their culture.

-Perhaps you folks think stoning women to death for being raped is a good idea... I do not.

That was in Afghanistan, I seem to remember a regime change there in 2001

I was going to write a long response but then I decided that you must be just a tool.

Extremism from any religion or person is reprehensible and there is plenty of that in every country including the USA.

To paraphrase a Nazi's on trial at Nuremberg:

"True evil is a lack of empathy for your fellow human beings".

 

[Cobra17]

If you hand out earplugs...make sure to explain and demonstrate. Experience from two occasions.

-Jordanian Soldiers returning from Afghanistan
-Iraqi voters being shuttled to voting sites

Both thought earplugs looked like(and apparently tasted-since they didn't spit them right out) CHEWING GUM!

I hand the green ones out to kids for Halloween. Never too soon to protect their hearing.

 

[Dan Roman]

Just a question, are you stupid??

I think to be fair, it's not stupid, it's ignorant. I don't mean that as an insult, but in the spirit of "I never was exposed to ......... fill in the blank of whatever learning experience you want to name. People who have limited international experience are in fact ignorant to the ways of the world. If they saw more of the world they would have a broader perspective.

 

[scoreboardII]

OK, I only lived in KSA for five years, so I know a little about their act. Your right, they are just like everyone else; Friendly, family oriented, deeply religious, right up until one of them drives a van full of explosives into your front door and sets it off. Yep, just like us, except for the that blowing up a van thing...

 

[crj567]

I think to be fair, it's not stupid, it's ignorant. I don't mean that as an insult, but in the spirit of "I never was exposed to ......... fill in the blank of whatever learning experience you want to name. People who have limited international experience are in fact ignorant to the ways of the world. If they saw more of the world they would have a broader perspective.

To be fair, I have seen a good bit of the world. There are many wonderful people who reside in many wonderful places, and most of them are honorable and decent. The Islamic culture is different. These guys practice a religion which has no absolute distinction between "right" and "wrong"-which only matter as far as "believers" are concerned. If you are a "non-believer," a whole different set of rules applies. Go ask a Muslim if you don't believe me.

These people are truly not like others. Yes, I have worked closely with Saudis for an extended period, and yes, I do find them to be the most horrible people I have ever come across.

These people are the very definition of evil. They will run onto a school bus full of Jewish school children and detonate themselves, they will throw school girls back into a burning building because these poor girls are trying to get out without wearing their head-dress. They will kill kids in a Russian elementary school to get attention. There are no limits on what can happen to "non-believers," and women-even children.

If you think everyone, everywhere is the same, you are a fool. If you think I am wrong, go and work with these clowns yourself-you will see I am not.

I know a bit more about their culture than you assume. I have discovered an important distinction..... Everyone who has not experiened these people personally thinks: "Everyone, everywhere, is the same-people are all basically good." Anyone who has experienced this culture knows better.

 

[timmay]

To be fair, I have seen a good bit of the world. There are many wonderful people who reside in many wonderful places, and most of them are honorable and decent. The Islamic culture is different. These guys practice a religion which has no absolute distinction between "right" and "wrong"-which only matter as far as "believers" are concerned. If you are a "non-believer," a whole different set of rules applies. Go ask a Muslim if you don't believe me.

These people are truly not like others. Yes, I have worked closely with Saudis for an extended period, and yes, I do find them to be the most horrible people I have ever come across.

These people are the very definition of evil. They will run onto a school bus full of Jewish school children and detonate themselves, they will throw school girls back into a burning building because these poor girls are trying to get out without wearing their head-dress. They will kill kids in a Russian elementary school to get attention. There are no limits on what can happen to "non-believers," and women-even children.

If you think everyone, everywhere is the same, you are a fool. If you think I am wrong, go and work with these clowns yourself-you will see I am not.

I know a bit more about their culture than you assume. I have discovered an important distinction..... Everyone who has not experiened these people personally thinks: "Everyone, everywhere, is the same-people are all basically good." Anyone who has experienced this culture knows better.

Nah you are wrong, those muslims are just misunderstood. I mean whats wrong with a little jihad among friends.

 

[Dan Roman]

Using that logic you could also say all Catholics are pedophiles. Look at some of the extreme behavior in any religion. As far as Muslims thinking "non-believers" are under "a different set of rules", what about Christians that think if you are not a Christian you are going to Hell? Some how I don't think God is up there saying "come on up Rev Falwell, you Dalai Lama are going to Hell. True, the thinking is not as violent as the Muslim fundementalists, but still similar in nature. I.E my religion is right yours is wrong.
I agree that the level of fundamentalist extremism is higher in the middle east than most, but it's a very volatile part of the world.
I guess if you can't stand people that are different one would be better of living in a gated community in the U.S.

 

[Dizel8]

Yep, just like us, except for the that blowing up a van thing...

I seem to remember a certain McVeigh blowing up a truck filled with fertilizer and diesel, plenty of innocent people were killed or injured.

Plenty of countries believe the death penalty is abhorrent, the US still uses it.

 

[Tweaker]

Wait a just a muslim minute! A more redonkoulous example of moral equivilence I have not seen in all my days!

The true fact that one singular event in Texas, in which some criminal-level racists dragged a negro to his death somehow is on the level with many Muslim countries centuries, nee millenia old tradition of subjugating women?!?!?

Van Damme! This is incredibly and obviously offensive and incomparable! Does this country/culture/religion (America) codify (make implicit in our legal tenets) the punishment for crimes is to drag a negro behind a pick up until death?
Hellz to the Nigative!

Sharia law, the Koran, and many muslim countries, on the contrary, have made the LAW of the land such things as cutting off of one's appendages, beheading, and stoning to death. This law is applied in a way that is obvious to all (with the exception of those afraid to call a spade a spade such as NOW (NAGs), duh UN, American and Eurotrash liberals) to be biased against women.

I am continually dumbfounded, but refuse to be surprised by some ignoranus' attempt to equate statistically rare, morally unacceptable, anti-social behavior with gubmints, religions and cultures who make no credible attempts to hide their true beliefs.

Suggested reading for the recovering sheeple and those who enjoy "truthiness" served cold, The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades, by Regnery Press.

 

[tyuwerty]

Plenty of countries believe the death penalty is abhorrent, the US still uses it.

Actually the US is the ONLY "developed" or "civilized" country that still has the death penalty.

The Muslim extremists are murderous. So were the Irish Catholics that were the IRA. As where the Christian Germans that brought us the Holocaust. Or the Khmer Buddists that brought us the killing fields in Cambodia.

Plenty of examples throughout history to prove the world is a dangerous place thanks to intolerant kooks.

I will say it again: Extremism from any religion or person is reprehensible and there is plenty of that in every country including the USA.

CRJ I think you are actually AVBUG. Weren't you exposed as a big enough fool in the other KSA thread?

 

[tyuwerty]

Muslim countries centuries, nee millenia old tradition of subjugating women?!?!?

When did women get the vote in the USA and the UK? 1920 USA, 1928 United Kingdom.

Sharia law, the Koran, and many muslim countries, on the contrary, have made the LAW of the land such things as cutting off of one's appendages, beheading, and stoning to death.

As opposed to medical castration, chain gangs, and hangings/electrocutions?

Just highlighting that civilization as a whole moves forward. Never a good idea to paint a whole community with the same brush.

 

[ChinaClipper]

Back to the topic....

The pilgrims I flew were polite to a fault, well-behaved and I wish half the dip-$hit rednecked shiny sweatsuit wearing, WalMart bag toting former Greyhound customers that make up so much of todays US "passengers" were HALF as well-mannered. As to be expected, NO DRUNKS to deal with! Many of these folks have saved up money for YEARS to pay for the trip. I was VERY impressed with their personal conduct and seriousness of what they were doing. Go with an open mind and you'll be suprised. I know I was. Your mileage may vary....

 

[crj567]

Sure-

Very polite-until they pull out the "clicker."

-I'll stick with the Wal-Mart rednecks-thanks!

 

[crj567]

When did women get the vote in the USA and the UK? 1920 USA, 1928 United Kingdom.





As opposed to medical castration, chain gangs, and hangings/electrocutions?

Just highlighting that civilization as a whole moves forward. Never a good idea to paint a whole community with the same brush.

DANG!

-I should have guessed it earlier-you are simply such a tool because you were chemically castrated!

-Tough break, Paco!

 

[pipe]

When did women get the vote in the USA and the UK? 1920 USA, 1928 United Kingdom.





As opposed to medical castration, chain gangs, and hangings/electrocutions?

Just highlighting that civilization as a whole moves forward. Never a good idea to paint a whole community with the same brush.

So we've pretty much figured out human rights in 134 years and they have taken thousands of years to not figure it out.

My experience in that part of the world (with exception given to India) is that it filled with liars and cheats. They lie to you, they lie to one another, and they are, as a people, very insincere.

I'm glad your experience is otherwise, but it is true that lying and insincerity toward you, an infidel, is not technically lying and insincerity. Like it or not sir, you are are considered inhuman to many of them. If you choose to believe that it's all on the up and up, more power to you.

PIPE

 

[Helos2Galaxy]

Bring Imodium (previously mentioned). Also, go to your doctor and get Cipro. It is a strong penicillin type of med. It'll kill almost anything. "splain to the doctor why you need it.

Also, don't put your feet up on a table, do an AOK sign; in Muslim countries it is the equivilent of the bird

 

[Ty Webb]

Actually the US is the ONLY "developed" or "civilized" country that still has the death penalty.

I guess Japan, Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea and half of the Caribbean will be shocked to learn that they are not yet developed or civilized. :laugh:

Seriously, the people you are defending are largely illiterate beings who have been raised with some very dangerous beliefs.

You are talking about people whose school textbooks use body counts for math problems- "If you were walking down the road, and you saw five jews, and killed two of them, how many jews would be left"?

You are talking about people who kill their own children for making minor mistakes, who believe it is OK to cause mass casualties against "non-believers" and who see nothing wrong with genitally mutilating their own daughters, cutting off hands of shoplifters, and stoning rape victims (and, no, that's not just the Taliban).

But they're OK to you, because you've had a couple of cups of tea with them, and made idle chit chat in a few cafes, and from this experience, you are a worldly wise man, and know these people best?

GMAFB. I've lived there, and not in a compound. or a military base.I've seen it first hand, and you, sir, are a useful idiot. Call CAIR and volunteer your services. They love people like you.

TW

 

[NEDude]

Yep, just like us, except for the that blowing up a van thing...

Yeah, for Americans the choice is Ryder trucks...

 

[scoreboardII]

NEdude, Let me clarify my point for those that believe one or two Wack-job's are the equivalent of an entire culture based on extremist beliefs, secularism, and hate.

When I said "blowing up a van thing", I should have said it's not the one in the van, it's their society which promotes that there will be one in the Pickup truck who blows the gate off and kills the guards. Followed by two in a cement mixer that drive through the hole left over from the blown up pickup truck and then they destroy an entire building housing civilians. Then the sniper picks off the rescue crews as they arrive to help the injured. Unfortunately, the day prior the cops were killed by a roadside bomb, so they never showed up. The teenage Islamics are filming this from down the street to put on the Islamic version of youtube. Blood sells, and the add on that website offers to sell you a Lexus. This repeats itself next week in the town across the valley, so on and so forth. It is their culture and has been for thousands of years.

To ensure this type of massacre continues, Islamic factions fund the families of those willing to sacrifice themselves for "the will of Alla" and the almighty teachings of the "saint" Mohamed. Sort of a social security for jihadists. Notice how the "good Muslims" turn a cheek and let this happen? Who can blame them, they would be dead if they complained.

How do you get to the point of walking into a market with explosives strapped to your stomach knowing your going to kill more Muslims than infidels? Simple economics, your family convinces you they need the money. Whats a jehadist to do?

Sorry I wasn't clear about that.

 

[crj567]

Yep-


The overall picure is that Islam has been totally corrupted. There are no absolutes like in other religions.
-There is no "killing is always bad"-depends who you kill.
-There is no "dishonesty is always bad"-depends on whether you are trying to cheat a non-believer.

It is a fact that many great advances in technology and mathematics originated in Islamic countries. It is also a fact that back then, Islamic societies were far more open and tolerant of outsiders-they even promoted the exchange of ideas and free thought. Back in those days, Islamic cultures lead the world in many ways.

It is also a fact that the religion has been hijacked by freaks. These people have corrupted it to serve their own hateful interests. This has resulted in what we have today-a horrible religion, practiced by horrible people, intent on literally killing anyone and everyone who does not buy into their "theology."

Many of us make the mistake of thinking that we are dealing with a well-educated, worldly people. Most of these countries have populations which are largely illiterate. The clerics and religious leaders like it this way-ignorant people are far better sheep (or muderers,as the case may be.)

-May as well face it, this is the truth and ain't gonna change anytime soon.

 

[AC560]

Yeah, for Americans the choice is Ryder trucks...

That would be Ryder truck not trucks.

 

[Tweaker]

When did women get the vote in the USA and the UK? 1920 USA, 1928 United Kingdom.


As opposed to medical castration, chain gangs, and hangings/electrocutions?

Just highlighting that civilization as a whole moves forward. Never a good idea to paint a whole community with the same brush.

You somehow chose to respond to my original comment about a horrible example of moral equivilance with more attempts at same?

Come now, silly man! In the comparatively short span of America's existance, we have adapted, modernized, overcame, and improved upon nearly all facets of our culture, government (while still staying true to the constitution!) and even our most popular religious practices.

Why has almost no Muslim dominated country been able to be succesful (prior to the discovery of Texas Tea)? Because of the indisputable fact that the Koran does not permit ANY DEVIATIONS FROM ITS CONTENTS CIRCA 660 AD. It is not an option to foment change in culture, govt, or religious practices. Thus, stagnation and worldwide irrelevance.

The few attempts at rethinking even slight variations from Mohammad's teachings has led to religious civil war pitting muslim against muslim and usually extermination and genocide.

Today America provides greater freedom and opportunity than any other country. Most muslim countries are dictatorships, theocrazies, or simply chaotic anarchies where the main local delicacy is dirt and food drops from the Red Cross.

The best gauge of a country is to compare how many want to enter and how many want to leave. Case closed. If you know of anyone who wants a one way ticket out, I would happily provide my buddy passes, PM me!

Those who that preach that "America sucks because," or "we are just as bad as ..." are so foolish it is pitiful. I am no doctor, but me thinks your diagnosis is an untreated strain of "white guilt." Pay your taxes read some history and call me in the morning.

 

[CE750Driver]

Islam will always be a violent religion. One of the founding principles is that Muhammad(alah kick him in the nuts), led the PERFECT muslim life(Sunnah, if you are interested). EVERYONE must strive to live like him. Now, lets look at his life. It basically consists of pillage, murder, and the expansion of Islam. He married Aisha at 9 and consummated it at 11. BTW, remember, if Mohammad(alah kick him in the nuts) did it, it is correct. Why do you think Ayatollah Khomeini married an 11 year old? Please ask me, I will quote from either the Quran or the Hadith by Ishaq Iban, where Mohammad(allah kick him in the nuts), did these things. If you don't know what the Hadith are, you have no business arguing Islam, as you are uneducated about it.

What it really comes down to, is. How many people did Jesus kill in his lifetime. Answer 0. How many people did Mohammad(alah kick him in the nuts) kill in his lifetime. Answer. No exact amount is available, but a good guess would be in the lower thousands, including men, women, and children. Quran verified. Thing is, they were non muslim, therefore, not human, so it is okay.

A religion with such a violent prophet, the religion of peace.............. I guess so.

But, show me in the Bible where Jesus killed or condoned killing ANYONE.

 

[C-150ETOPS]

CE750Driver,

Congratulations! You're the winner of the common sense contest!

Most of these products of todays touchy feely, self esteem, everythings relative, public education system can't figure out what the "Big-Mo" and the Koran really stand for.

If you want to mirror want the Big-M did, take control of the Mexican Mafia or MS-13 gangs, and then by conquering, looting, raiding, robbing and pillaging the entire Latin America hemisphere, you gain total control of everything down there. Then you run up to Machu Piccu for the weekend, smoke some peyote, come back down and tell your pychotic gang members you talked to God. After that, you can spread your word with the threat, "convert or die"

It's a simple plan :nuts:


P.S. Google the fine treatment single female travelers receive in Egypt

 

[Tweaker]

You guys bring joy to my heart and a tear to my eye with your true knowledge of the facts of the matter.

I will from this point further add the recitation "May Allah kick him in the nutsack!" to each utterance of one senor Mohammad, "May Allah kick him in the nutsack!"

I solemly pour one for you homeys. Cept it is a homebrewed beer not a "fotay" and it is being poured down my infidel gullet.

 

[JFReservist]

Islam will always be a violent religion. One of the founding principles is that Muhammad(alah kick him in the nuts), led the PERFECT muslim life(Sunnah, if you are interested). EVERYONE must strive to live like him. Now, lets look at his life. It basically consists of pillage, murder, and the expansion of Islam. He married Aisha at 9 and consummated it at 11. BTW, remember, if Mohammad(alah kick him in the nuts) did it, it is correct. Why do you think Ayatollah Khomeini married an 11 year old? Please ask me, I will quote from either the Quran or the Hadith by Ishaq Iban, where Mohammad(allah kick him in the nuts), did these things. If you don't know what the Hadith are, you have no business arguing Islam, as you are uneducated about it.

What it really comes down to, is. How many people did Jesus kill in his lifetime. Answer 0. How many people did Mohammad(alah kick him in the nuts) kill in his lifetime. Answer. No exact amount is available, but a good guess would be in the lower thousands, including men, women, and children. Quran verified. Thing is, they were non muslim, therefore, not human, so it is okay.

A religion with such a violent prophet, the religion of peace.............. I guess so.

But, show me in the Bible where Jesus killed or condoned killing ANYONE.

Bingo.

Look folks, as for travelling and expanding your horizons, go for it. I used to be a naive, guilt ridden white boy - then I realised over time that the rest of the world pretty much sucks. Lived there, seen some nice things, met nice enough people, but all in all, I love coming back home. I don't hate anybody, but that doesn't mean you can't call a spade a spade. I can deal with the fact that there are a lot of f@cked up people in this world, but I will not call what they do or how they live okay.

I have flown Saudi's (among others) for a living, and they are nice enough. Most people are nice to your face though. I love picking them up in Vegas after a three week bender and taking them back to the family. Right about 20 west they sober up and put the robes back on...

Like most elitists, they can justify anything. They are the ones in power, so they can have their 'excesses' - but if one of the subjects in the Kingdom did the same thing...

As far as comparing Christianity to Islam... wow, just cause you're entitled to your opinion doesn't mean you are learned. Spend a little bit less time listening to the acadmic elite and open some books for yourself.

 

[CE750Driver]

You guys bring joy to my heart and a tear to my eye with your true knowledge of the facts of the matter.

I will from this point further add the recitation "May Allah kick him in the nutsack!" to each utterance of one senor Mohammad, "May Allah kick him in the nutsack!"

I solemly pour one for you homeys. Cept it is a homebrewed beer not a "fotay" and it is being poured down my infidel gullet.

When they show respect for my religion, and my way of life, I will certainly show it for theirs. Untill that time..... I lower myself to join them.

Have a good brewsky!:beer:

 

[Jurasicpilot]

Nah you are wrong, those muslims are just misunderstood. I mean whats wrong with a little jihad among friends.

Jihad, it goes both ways. It helps blow off some inner anger, support God and country, and to put that new 38' boat on the lake.


OOOOOOh Jihad, just saying it gives me a woody.

 

[Dieterly]

Don't tell me you are stupid enough to think there is an "actullay" god?