Flying the Global Express

[GVFlyer]

Re: Global

Is the GV fly by wire? If not, why. [/B]

No it is not. Additionaly, unlike the Global, the GV can be flown with a complete hydraulic failure.

The reason the GV is not fly-by-wire is because the customers didn't want it that way. The features suite for the GV was largely determined by the Customer Advisory Board. Other features presented to them, but turned down were auto-braking and autoland.

GV

 

[hogdriver00]

GV

The GV doesn't have Auto-braking? I didn't know that. That was a mistake like FBW in both A/C.

Your reply was a tactful way of answering the question. The customer doesn't always know best.

Hog

 

[GVFlyer]

c'mon GVdriver will also tell you that the "Gulfstream" 200 is a reliable airplane!!! I almost choked on that one!!! That thing has to be the biggest piece of shhit ever made!!!

You apparently still like the airplane enough to use it as a screen name...

Go back and look at my post. What I said was, "the G200 is a work in progress" and that current availibility rates do not meet Gulfstream's reliability standards of greater than 99%. I further said that Gulfstream was commited to improving the G200's reliability. Toward that end, the current availability as reported by NBAA and Gulfstream is over 98%.

Yes, the Gulfsream reputation was created on the reliability of thier older models (GII-GIV) but they are all old now, and they better come up with something better than a G200 to carry into the new generation! Just renaming everything is not going to cut it! Living off the GIV legacy will only last SO long!

The GIV/G400 is a current product. The 500th aircraft in the GIV series rolled off the production line last week. The G450 will be the next in the GIV series. It will have FADEC Rolls-Royce Tays and a common nose with the G500/G550. By the way, GV availability is also over 99%.

Falcon Capt is right, this guy is off his rocker when it comes to Gulfstream!!!!!

Is he a Gulfstream demo pilot??????...haha!

I can prove I'm not a Demo pilot, c'mon ask me a technical question.

GV

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Oh I do like the plane (G200), it flies very nice!
Just dont plan on getting home when you were scheduled to....
I dont mind having it as a screen name....

Im sure the program has improved. It better have. Bottom line it IS a terribly unreliable airplane (unlike any other G product!!) I would love to know just how they came up with 98%......I know of more than a few (5 maybe) they went back for a complete refund and traded in on G4s or G5s! Good sales tactic I guess...I just feel bad for all the tech reps who had to take this beast over from Galaxy/IAI. But again, this was a little while back and Im sure it has improved dramatically (?)

I cant help but imagine the experience NetJets will have with it. That will be a good test I suppose.

I am very impressed with your G knowledge you should sell them! I bet it is a nice airplane to fly. (I never have!)

FalconCapt, didnt mean to drag you in at all, I do get a kick out of your guys Falcon/Gulfstream bickering! Its a good laugh!

 

[empenage]

GVFlyer:

Actually "empennage" was taken...I just shortened it and I spoke with Tommy last week, FL's Chief of Maintenance, and he is still having problems with thier GV hydraulic systems.

Have I ever told you how much I love those leading edge slats on the Global? We had a V1 speed of 88kts and a landing Vref of 98 kts. the other night. It's just so cool!!

Empenage....with just 1 "n".

 

[banned username 2]

FalconCapt, didnt mean to drag you in at all, I do get a kick out of your guys Falcon/Gulfstream bickering! Its a good laugh!

No problem, I do it merely for entertainment purposes... Our 900EX's are doing trips that our G-IV wasn't able too... So I can compare apples to apples... But some of our guys still sob because their G-IV is gone... Oh well, some need their ego's stroked more than others I guess!

Have I ever told you how much I love those leading edge slats on the Global? We had a V1 speed of 88kts and a landing Vref of 98 kts. the other night. It's just so cool!!

The 900EX has full wing leading edge slats too!

Sorry, I just couldn't resist!!!! Its like a gravitational force that I can not overcome!

Well I'd better go look for my "Drag Polars" I seem to have misplaced them!

 

[empenage]

Falcon Capt:

"Drag Polars"! Now your killing me. It's funny how GVFlyer only bashes the Global, Isnt it? I wonder why that is? HaHaHa!

Hey, we may get a Falcon 2000 to replace the Lear. I hear its a good ship. If all goes well we should have it by the end of next year. I was hoping for the 900EX. We will see. They wont wait for a 7X.

Empenage.

 

[banned username 2]

Nah, he bashes the 900EX too, don't feel so special... HAHAHA

Anyhow, if you can wait for the 2000EX it is supposed to be a HUGE improvement over the straight 2000 (2,200 lbs additional thrust and another 3,000 lbs of fuel)

The 7X is at least 4 years off...

 

[empenage]

Falcon Capt:

How long for the 2000EX? They just want to make NY to SFO, in the winter, with say bad weather in SFO. The Global keeps going around the world and the Lear 55 has to stop for fuel. They hate stopping for fuel.

I'll miss the Lear. That airplane is like the "Energizer Bunny". It just keeps going!

Empenage.

 

[banned username 2]

First deliveries of the 2000EX are supposed to be in the 2nd quarter of next year (2003)...

The 2000 will make NY to SFO, but might be tight with very strong winter winds and if there is bad WX in SFO... the 2000EX would make all the difference in the world on that leg...

Here is a pretty interesting press release highlighting the differences between the 2000 and 2000EX...

http://www.falconjet.com/whatsnew/prelease_details.jsp?DOCNUM=5012

Hope this helps!

 

[empenage]

Falcon Capt:

Thanks for the help! I really appreciate it. I would still like the 900 though.....leading edge slats and three engines! But I'll fly whatever they buy!

See ya.

 

[banned username 2]

I hear ya... I was very disappointed that Falcon didn't put the inboard leading edge slats on the 2000EX, still can't figure out why they didn't... Both the 50 and 900 have full wing leading edge slats... the 2000/2000EX only have outboards...

Things that make you say "Hhhmmmm..."