Flying International

[Masterplan]

I have the opportunity to do some fun flying in germany for free and was wondering if anyone coud recomend good reading on international flying protocol and rules. Also any real life experience would help greatly as well.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

sounds good!

double check on that "free" thing...even if the plane is free, there are many more costs associated with flying in Europe than here...but maybe you are very farmiliar - your post didnt say.

For info, check with a handler if you have access (Universal, Jepp, etc..)they can give you ideas. Maybe check the Jepp index for Europe and look under Germany, will give you ATC, Entry Requirements, etc...

Is this Cessna and Piper type flying? VFR? maybe a good bet would be to hire an instructor over there...just to get the feel for it.

My experience with Germany (Frankfurt, Dusseldorf, Berlin, Munich) was all good, good english, semi-flexible slot times, etc....but I dont pay the bills so I couldnt help with ATC, handeling, fuel costs, etc....

Have fun!

 

[Peardc10]

Flying in Germany

In March we flew to Stuggart . Most of the controllers speak very good English. Be careful!- our passengers were running late and our flight plan is only good for a small window of time-20 min on either side of your proposed dept. time.

Not all airports have this type of restriction. We used Universal and they did a very good job of handling us. If we did not have them when we needed to change our flight plan, we could have used the handler in Stuggart-but who knows what kind of dept. slot we would have received.

Have fun!

 

[2000flyer]

I second the comments from the others. Another idea would be to check the PPrune message boards, as it's more Euro than this one (not that this one isn't the best ofcourse )

German controllers are great, probably the easiest to understand controllers in the EU. I'm in London for the next few days and can tell you for a fact that British controllers, while good, can be very difficult to understand at times. Italian controllers, well thats entirely another story indeed. I'll be passing through France next week and will update you on them later if you wish.

Regards,
2000Flyer

 

[Flyjets]

I can tell you that I have not had good experience with French controllers. Arrogant and definitely hard to understand has been my experience.

The Germans are very good as others have said. I will caution you though that the contollers sometime do not coordinate very well from country to country. Imagine working with a bunch of little FAA's with their own system. I have been 40 miles from the field (going into Germany) in a heavy and still at 30k ft before they let us down. Needless to say, that is not enough time to get a heavy down and slowed down to configure and set up for the approach. So then you have to go through the pain of asking for maneuvering airspace,etc.

Reading your profile (if memory serves me correct), it looks like you will be low to the ground, so you probably won't have to deal with this problem.

 

[pilot1704]

Flying in Europe!

Do you speak any other language!

Obviously you fly inside country since fleet what you have flown before, dont make it from USA.

Remember in country you have to follow countries rules and regs!

I am from one of those countries who joined to EU and now are using JAR (joint aviation regulations)

Best advice what I can tell you is to have someone from area where you doing flying at flying with you!

Meaning local CFI or someone who are familiar with rules and regs, I dont think in your post you were conserned about how much it cost to fly in to other country or use their facilities.

I know eurocontrol and all these other fees for corporate flying is very large, but for you my piece of advice is;

FLY WITH SOMEONE WHO KNOWS REGULATIONS

last thing you need is violation

 

[pilot1704]

forgot this link from last reply

http://www.luftrecht-online.de/english/lr-jar.htm