Flying CJs

[RefugePilot]

I have an opportunity to spend some time in a CJ. I would like to figure out as much as I can before getting in to it. The company has 3 of them and I would be in the CJ2 if that makes any difference.

Just to give you and idea of what kind of info I need; I currently fly a Be99 and have around 200 hrs of turboprop, but this is the only turbine experience I have. I would appreciate any sources of information on the aircraft the numbers, setting and flows to use.


Thanks

 

[Say Again Over]

Suggest you find out what type of avionics it has on the R/H side, so if it has Collins ProLine21 for instance, go to the Rockwell site and do a bit of study, a bit more sophisticated than the BE99, locking the nose baggage compartment is very important, the airplane handles like a C172, that won't be a problem.

 

[Tgaug6300]

Do you know if it is a CJ2 or 2+ ?

 

[RefugePilot]

Not sure what the avionics are or if it is a CJ2 or CJ2+ but just emailed the current Captain to find out. I do know it has an FMS. I think more important than the avionics are the power settings and other numbers.

Its been a while since I have flown with technology less than 40 years old, but I have 200 hours in a G1000 equipped aircraft. If it flys like a 172 I may be in trouble as I have not flown one in close to 2 years.

 

[On Your Six]

Suggest you find out what type of avionics it has on the R/H side, so if it has Collins ProLine21 for instance, go to the Rockwell site and do a bit of study, a bit more sophisticated than the BE99, locking the nose baggage compartment is very important, the airplane handles like a C172, that won't be a problem.

That's exactly what I thought - find out if you have a PFD on the R/H side. It would be important from a scan perspective. I have heard good things about the CJ2 & CJ3. Welcome to the jet age!

 

[RefugePilot]

From the current captain

"The airplane is a 2003 CJ2. It has a three tube panel, Garmin 430/530 radios, UNS-1L FMS, and we have the SAT WX option."

I was fairly familiar with the Garmins, but rusty on them. I have not flown from the right seat in over a year, and when I have, I have never had instruments in front of me. I once flew a duke from the right seat when I was an instructor, I had a full 6-pack in front of me but still focused on the left side instruments. I used to know how to read a glass panel from my G1000 days, it first took a while but once you got it the scan was way easy, I remember it was nice having a 7" wide attitude indicator.

Based on this info
What should I look up for avionics info?
How about some numbers and settings for aircraft performance?
Thanks

 

[BushwickBill]

Refugee

First of all don't worry about anything. I take it from your past posts your an Ameriflight guy. Most likely an IFR stud. I think your only in danger of becoming very spoiled. Just help the captain with clearance radios. Don't forget the Ice and Coffee! Not a lot of tricks to the aircraft. In terms of avionics the Collins stuff is really easy to deal with. After a few flights it will be second nature. Plus you have the G-1000 experience so you'll get right back into it.

I wrote up a sort of survival guide. This is not what I do day to day. This is just the real basics that will help you with the first flight or two. I'm sure I'll get flamed for it but if it helps you all the better. To many Arseholes here anyway.

In terms of my day to day duties I can help you a little bit. Before your flight you can turn on the emergency power bus and program the #1 Garmin. The master power switch is on the far left in between the generator switches. Its the really big sliver toggle switch. Pull it and move it to the down position. This will power up a few things but your only worried about the Garmin. Get your clearance. Press flight plan go to page 2 and put all your waypoints in ahead of time. Usually the FMS is the captains GPS (#1) and the Garmin GPS' are for you (#2 & # 3). There is a toggle switch so you can switch between #2 and #3. Dont worry about this though. You'll find it after about 25 mins during your first leg. Don't worry about the FMS.

Now when you start you already have your GPS programed and you have your clearance/ atis so you can relax and watch the start procedure. Once he has checked the generators he will turn on the Avionics. The fun begins. He will be taking care of a lot of these steps. The AHRS (HSI) will be spooling up. You can't taxi while the AHRS calibrate. Most crews should be ready to taxi by the time the AHRS has finished warming up. Enter the squak code. Once the Garmins have finished warming up you can activate the flight plan you have already loaded. The HSI will be set to Localizer. There are buttons all around the PFD the function of each button is displayed on the PFD next to each button. Press the button that says FMS. Now you will be using FMS data. Your navin it up now.

There is also a N1 computer. It determines the N1 fan speed for takeoff climb and cruise. So once you are done with navin press the button on the N1 computer it will give you a N1 fan speed based on field elevation and OAT(really you should set the computer to the ATIS temperature but most guys I have flown with don't know how to do this anyway) you can enter it into the PFD and it will be displayed on the N1 tape on the MFD (center tube). There are 4 hard buttons that say radar refs nav/ etc. on the left of the PFD. You'll notice that when you press these you'll get different soft keys displayed on the PFD. If you press refs you'll See that the refs will be displayed once you change them they change colors. You change them with the knob next to the barometer knob marked refs. Press the soft key that says N1 it will highlight and you twist the knob to change the speed then press the key again and you'll see the takeoff N1 displayed on the MFD. This also works for airspeeds too. You can look up the ref numbers but I bet your captain has a quick reference somewhere and he will be entering them in anyway. You will see the airspeeds next to the airspeed tape once you have entered them the same as the N1 speed. Move slowly. If you get lost you'll distract the captain while he fixes your panel and he'll be better off alone. You don't want that. Of course this can be different if his FMS is what determines speeds and N1 settings. The newer CJs do this. Another example of why you shouldn't touch nothin'. Just kidding.

I had trouble with looking at the captains side panel at first too. Try hard not to do it. It wont help the info is exactly the same. Plus if your all #$%& up and your GPS is going the wrong way you wont notice. You are the backup instrumentation the emergency Air Data Computer (#2) is on your side. Keep everything on your side hunky dory. Better you notice it first than the captain.

Hope this helps. A little back pressure trim in the flare helps for a smooth landing.

If you want to know callouts and stuff just PM me.

here are some good switchbitch speeds to know.

Vne 275 below 290
Vne below 8000' 260 watch out for the overspeed here it changes fast.
Vfe 200 (apr)
Vle 187 some send the gear down higher but i think they just sent out an AD about this. Gear doors keep flying off.
Vfe 161 (land)

 

[Tgaug6300]

The UNS-1L is a pretty easy box. I wouldn't worry too much about it. One thing that you have to remember is the "TOW / FLY" switch on the nose gear (I can't remember if it is on the 2003) on pre-flight. Like everyone said it flys easy (it has to, it is a single pilot airplane). If you get busy setting up the approach and forget to posts the speeds, don't sweat it. Just fly the "doughnut" and AOA. Have fun!

 

[174037]

What kind of salary can a CJ-2 or 3 pilot expect?

 

[RefugePilot]

What kind of salary can a CJ-2 or 3 pilot expect?

Looking at close to 50k to "pull gear". Not sure what a captain makes but hope to find out in a year or so.

I am sure the plane will be easy to fly "if you don't post the Numbers just fly the doughnut and use the AoA". Huh?

Please help me out with of these fancy terms, I have been flying some really old aircraft for the last year and I am lost when it comes to some of these fancy gadgets I will be facing.

Tow/Fly- set to tow when you park, set to fly before taxiing?
Donut = ball in the center of the HSI?
Posting speeds= using the FMS to compute key #s and set them in the ASI or are they set automatically once you engage the FMS?

I know what AoA is its the little sideways windvane on the external part of the airplane. What do I look for in the panel and how do I use it.
Thanks