Flying Blind: Deregulation reconsidered

[CopilotDoug]

Life was good for a few pilots under regulation. There are probably 3-4 times as many pilot’s jobs in 2005 as there was in 1977.

At much lower pay. In essence, you're saying "Spread the misery"

 

[pilotyip]

No

Isn't that you job at USAJET?

Not sure of what you mean?

 

[Birdstrike]

Why, in your opinion, shouldn't pilots make two or three hundred thousand dollars a year? Because you don't think that you're worth it!

Sure I do. And so does the public. But tha's not the issue. The exploitable issue has been the guy drooling to do your job for half the pay. And the next guy that will do it for half of that. Qualified guys too. That's the rub; after that disillusionment, we eat our young, pull up the ladder, and look out only for #1. It's easily exploitable and it has been and always will be as long as demand exceeds supply.

 

[pilotyip]

Reality

Sure I do. And so does the public. But tha's not the issue. The exploitable issue has been the guy drooling to do your job for half the pay. And the next guy that will do it for half of that. Qualified guys too. That's the rub; after that disillusionment, we eat our young, pull up the ladder, and look out only for #1. It's easily exploitable and it has been and always will be as long as demand exceeds supply.

Hey this is FI, do not deal in reality, there must be someone to blame besides ourselfs

 

[Midge]

So a flying management job such as Director of Standards is a management stooge?

No, it makes you a scumbag!

A guy who made less money than his line biddies with the same date of hire? A guy who likes flying airplanes and thinks this is a great way to make a living. Is that the guy you were talking about? BTW still livin the dream

Hey pilotdip, maybe you can send him one of those 2 page long boring PM's.
Go work for free moron. Scum like you are what's bringing down this industry.

 

[relief tube]

True free market capitalism has not been allowed to exhibit itself and flourish. Bankrupcy courts (government oversight) have been very adept at keeping all the players on the field. As air carriers are being forced to compete with the "living dead", instead of happily expanding into the newly created/vacated marketplace, they instead find themselves competing on an evermore crowded playing field by contracting out domestic flying to regional operators (who hire at pittance wages). The result is that junior legacy carrier pilots are the ones being laid off and taking the fall. Is reregulation the answer??? Hardly. Let deregulation and free markets work as intended.

the architect of regulation himself (forgot his name) said that it hasn't worked. He was a bureaucrat that didn't understand the many endemic forces involved in this industry.

What do you want? United and Airways to fail so Airtran and JetBlue flourish? Then everyone'd still be able to fly to orlando for $119 roundtrip and average pilot salaries and salaries would be half of what they were 15 years ago. That sounds like fun.

Capitalism can't flourish in an industry where the main labor force is at the mercy of just needing to have and keep their job, or else they have to start all over again. There's always a race to the bottom then. It's like the manufacturing industry, except all the factory workers don't live in china. They're here.

 

[pilotyip]

Al Kann

the architect of regulation himself (forgot his name) said that it hasn't worked. He was a bureaucrat that didn't understand the many endemic forces involved in this industry.

Albert Kann professor of Econ at Cornell. Friend of Jimmy Carter. BTW What is the solution, except returning to regulation with all of its down sides?

 

[AC560]

Doctors ..... they can move ANYWHERE in their profession for the same OR HIGHER pay. Same goes for Lawyers. How we can NOT be thought of in the same compay

The same can be said for corporate pilots and other pilot groups not associated with collective bargaining agreements. Bus drivers belong to a union, Doctors belong to an association. If you want to be treated as a professional get a job were you are rewarded on the merits of your contributions to the company and not you seniority number.

 

[acpilot]

Flying is still a great way to make a living, pilots are not doctor's, if you want to be treated like a doctor finish med school, pilots are not wall street CEO's, if you want ot be a wall street CEO, get into one the top 10 MBA's school. You are pilot you fly airplanes, if you like doing that you are probably happy. If not you are in the wrong line of work.

It is what it is.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Albert Kann professor of Econ at Cornell. Friend of Jimmy Carter. BTW What is the solution, except returning to regulation with all of its down sides?

Translation: After days pass, I haven't bothered to read the presentation paper, but I still want to be taken seriously.....