Flying Blind: Deregulation reconsidered

[pilotyip]

A solution

That is no more than the RLA should provide for us. We have a standard of necessity to the country and economy that now surpasses what was detrermined sufficient to create the Act in the first place. However, because we're pilots (and this country/economy does not appreciate pilots) we'll have to leverage the argument for the RRB with being released from the RLA. With me up to this point? Because here is where it get's interesting. If we can get released from the RLA and our contracts actually expire, airline labor economics will change overnight. Every few months a pilot contract would be expiring. There aren't enough pilots to fill in the gaps in that scenario. We win.

Again this may be a solution, but if it makes you make more money, it adds cost to the airline. More costs=higher fares=fewer pax=fewer pilots. So for every upside, there is a downside. It will good for some, and not so good for some. Who determines who it will not be good for?

 

[Flopgut]

Again this may be a solution, but if it makes you make more money, it adds cost to the airline. More costs=higher fares=fewer pax=fewer pilots. So for every upside, there is a downside. It will good for some, and not so good for some. Who determines who it will not be good for?

Well, you can examine about 70 years of history on the RRB and compare it with what our reality is and I challenge you to find a downside. The monies are so close to what we already have with Social Security the change is incredibly small. If anything, this would level off sporadic changes the net effect would be a benefit for all.

Do the homework, it's a win/win for everybody.

 

[pilotyip]

How about a snap shot

Well, you can examine about 70 years of history on the RRB and compare it with what our reality is and I challenge you to find a downside. The monies are so close to what we already have with Social Security the change is incredibly small. If anything, this would level off sporadic changes the net effect would be a benefit for all.

Do the homework, it's a win/win for everybody.

Guess I don't understand the RRB, you you do a Reader's Digest of it?

 

[Flopgut]

Guess I don't understand the RRB, you you do a Reader's Digest of it?

www.pilotpensionnow.com

Will link you to the RRB. The RRB exists because rail was determined to be important to the economy and vulnerable as a entity. Oversight felt it was wrong that rail workers lost their retirement plans in the Great Depression while working under the special burden the RLA placed on them, so they got the RRB. Somehow, we as air transportation workers have been through no less than the same and oversight could care less.

Time this crap ends.

 

[pilotyip]

more info

www.pilotpensionnow.com

Will link you to the RRB.
Time this crap ends.

So this lets you out of the soc sec ponzi scheme? How does pay out compare to SSN? What about the rehiring rights? In the end the Rail Roads became gov't operations.

 

[Flopgut]

So this lets you out of the soc sec ponzi scheme? How does pay out compare to SSN? What about the rehiring rights? In the end the Rail Roads became gov't operations.

Out of SS, yes. There is already a prevailing methodology in place for those transistioning from SS to RRB that works well. The re-hiring scheme is basically if your airline goes away you get placed in a hiring pool at another similiar airline where you are hired at the bottom of the seniority list but you keep your longevity. (ALPA had this for pilots hired before 1974 but let it go) This retirement pays out fully with 30 years of service and a minimum age of 60.

 

[pilotyip]

7th year pay?

The re-hiring scheme is basically if your airline goes away you get placed in a hiring pool at another similiar airline where you are hired at the bottom of the seniority list but you keep your longevity. .

So does this mean I have been at XYZ airline for seven years and it folds, and I get placed at ABC airline, do I come in at the 7 seven year pay scale?

 

[Lear70]

So does this mean I have been at XYZ airline for seven years and it folds, and I get placed at ABC airline, do I come in at the 7 seven year pay scale?

It's a shame, the waste of those collegiate analytical skills...

I'm just giving you a hard time. You going to be out at the air show this weekend?

 

[pilotyip]

need more info

It's a shame, the waste of those collegiate analytical skills...

I'm just giving you a hard time. You going to be out at the air show this weekend?

I would use them but I don't understand how it is supposed to work, when you come in at your previous job's longevity. Got other family plans that can not be cancelled this weekend. Besides when you fly the airshow circuit you see them on a regular basis. What I will miss is the private party with their whole crew. BTW USA Jet 6 new twin engine jets on their ramp to today, nice blue paint jobs, yellow trim, numbered 1 through 6. Can't carry any pax though, they are single pilot carrier based cargo jets.

 

[Lear70]

Carrier-based?

 

[pilotyip]

F/A-18's

Carrier-based?

Yea, the planes I was talking about were F/A-18s

 

[Lear70]

*snicker*

Was a long day, missed the joke.

p.s. I'll get around to emptying out my PM box one of these days, wish they'd let us have more than 300 messages,,,

 

[Flopgut]

So does this mean I have been at XYZ airline for seven years and it folds, and I get placed at ABC airline, do I come in at the 7 seven year pay scale?

Yes. That's still a rule under RLA if you have a hire date prior to 1974. And, that's only if your airline goes away and not merged. This was apart from ALPA merger policy. However, the reason it was amended to 1974 was part of the ruining of ALPA merger policy by ALPA pilots with hire dates in the latter 1970s and early 80s. For instance, junior UAL guys did not want any form of ALPA merger policy to prevail with FAL. So they skipped the union merger policy, called it a purchase, and sh!t on their union brother, FAL pilots. (Who just got done honoring their strike BTW) The UAL guys didn't want to have the FAL guys come in AT ALL so they made the RLA cutoff 1974. Nice huh?

BTW, this ALPA mentality that changed merger policy sprang from the junior ALPA types at the time. Those are the same ones that are now senior and saw fit to change retirement age. They've been screwing others their whole career and still lack the nads to challenge the RLA.

 

[pilotyip]

Local's

BTW, this ALPA mentality that changed merger policy sprang from the junior ALPA types at the time. Those are the same ones that are now senior and saw fit to change retirement age. They've been screwing others their whole career and still lack the nads to challenge the RLA.

That is why individual contracts holders are called locals. There concerns are local in nature

 

[Flopgut]

That is why individual contracts holders are called locals. There concerns are local in nature

Ok. But there is an ALPA National as well. They should be dealing with big picture issues. When railroad labor lost normal, full retirement age in the early 90s (age 60 with 30 years of service), top railroad labor leaders made it a priority to get it back in future contracts. And rail labor leaders did just that in 02. What did the primma donnas running ALPA National do? They merchandised an increased retirement age for themselves when they should have asserted better treratment for the profession since we're no less under the RLA than rail. And they call that taking it back?!