FlyI Observations for UAL/Mesa types

[CRJ_Driver]

Hello there...

This message goes out to the PO'd UAL type and the uninformed Mesa wonder pilots.

In many FlyI posts (and others for that matter), over capacity is often cited as the cause of what's brining the industry down. You say, if FlyI goes under (or US Airways) then, we'll be okay.

Well, over capacity is one thing, but you never mention market elasticity. Just like JetBlue, FlyI is brining out people who never would have flown in the first place and is also taking traffic from the customer service challenged airlines.

I wish all pilots well, except those who fail to realize they are whoring themselves at a cheap establishment. Practically all pilots (past, present, or future) have, are, will whore themselves.....just do at a good establishment.

Mesa and just for fun...PNCL pilots should park your RJ's for the safety of the flying public and innocent homeowners and renters, motorists, etc.. below.

You guys suck.

 

[328dude]

D A M that rap music. So much hate in the world.

 

[white E]

Hello there...

This message goes out to the PO'd UAL type and the uninformed Mesa wonder pilots.

In many FlyI posts (and others for that matter), over capacity is often cited as the cause of what's brining the industry down. You say, if FlyI goes under (or US Airways) then, we'll be okay.

Well, over capacity is one thing, but you never mention market elasticity. Just like JetBlue, FlyI is brining out people who never would have flown in the first place and is also taking traffic from the customer service challenged airlines.

I wish all pilots well, except those who fail to realize they are whoring themselves at a cheap establishment. Practically all pilots (past, present, or future) have, are, will whore themselves.....just do at a good establishment.

Mesa and just for fun...PNCL pilots should park your RJ's for the safety of the flying public and innocent homeowners and renters, motorists, etc.. below.

You guys suck.

Hi kettle, I'm pot and your black. Sorry, but I didn't realize that you are the one now. You are right, I shall repect you from hear on out!

 

[Machdog1]

MESA sucks!!

 

[labbats]

Hi kettle, I'm pot and your black. Sorry, but I didn't realize that you are the one now. You are right, I shall repect you from hear on out!

I think I can hear your English teacher weeping.

 

[Bluto]

You think he had an english teacher? Give him a break, maybe he learned english from watching the Police Academy movies. America! What a country!

 

[aspire]

"I wish all pilots well, except those who fail to realize they are whoring themselves at a cheap establishment. Practically all pilots (past, present, or future) have, are, will whore themselves.....just do at a good establishment."


So, in other words, flying an Airbus for $113/$35/hr at FlyI is helping this industry. OK. Got it , thanks.....mor-on.

 

[rptrain]

So, in other words, flying an Airbus for $113/$35/hr at FlyI is helping this industry. OK. Got it , thanks.....mor-on.

It's actually $118/$61. The contract granted every pilot on property 2nd year pay (and they're actually all on 3rd year now). Compare that to the whopping $125/hr for 10+ year captains at UAL/U.

there's obviously problems in the profession, but FLYi's pay is hardly to blame. By your logic, Casino Express is going to take over because they pay the least. I'm not holding my breath.

 

[SpacemanSpiff]

re: uninformed Mesa wonder pilots???

I think you misunderstand the average Mesa pilot's position regarding FlyI - among other things.

It is my opinion that a lot of pilots here at Mesa are a little envious of your opportunity. However, we think that the timing is off, or maybe unfortunate is a better way of saying it. It was a huge gamble, but then again the airline industry is a crapshoot most of the time anyway. Most of us wish you and FlyI well. Of course, there are always a few jerks at every company.

Regarding overcapacity and market elasticity - well it seems obvious that there is overcapacity. Otherwise airlines would just raise fares to make up for the high price of oil - fuel, right? I mean if there is no overcapacity then why is every airline in the US losing money (SWA only made money hedging fuel)? In most every other industry when costs rise you pass it on to the consumer, right? Why not in the airline industry? It is a buyers market not a sellers market and the buyers are price sensitive.

Best wishes!
Spiff

 

[Yank McCobb]

It's not going to matter if FlyI pays its pilots $200/hr or $10. The end result will be the same. The only question is when.

Enjoy your life on the street Mr. Big Time CRJ Driver. Maybe Mesa will hire you when you go begging over there. Then again, maybe they won't.

"Welcome to Wal-Mart". "Do you want fries with that?" "Plumbing supplies? Aisle 9."

(For the intellectually challenged such as yourself, that would be Wal-Mart, McDonalds and The Home Depot. All are hiring in your neighborhood now.)

 

[Popeye0537]

Mesa pilots have a position spiff?? What could the pilots at mesa be envious of except better pay! You fly the same planes, in the same regions?? I'm glad that your gone from US, I wish the Comair,ASA guys good luck now that your going to infect that portion of industry

 

[aspire]

"It's actually $118/$61. The contract granted every pilot on property 2nd year pay (and they're actually all on 3rd year now). Compare that to the whopping $125/hr for 10+ year captains at UAL/U.

there's obviously problems in the profession, but FLYi's pay is hardly to blame. By your logic, Casino Express is going to take over because they pay the least. I'm not holding my breath"




You missed my point. I find it ironic that someone is complaining -that's all we do on this board- about the mesas,etc. of this world when their airline, while maybe not the absolute lowest paid airbus drivers, are not exactly rasing the bar, but in fact are reinforcing the new low cost, low fare standard.

and yes, everbody loves low cost whether at Walmart, or at the airport so I don't see this changing. It's all about the comsumer and t.v.'s cheap enough so that I can put one in each room, with a dvd player to boot.


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[say again]

It's not going to matter if FlyI pays its pilots $200/hr or $10. The end result will be the same. The only question is when.

Enjoy your life on the street Mr. Big Time CRJ Driver. Maybe Mesa will hire you when you go begging over there. Then again, maybe they won't.

"Welcome to Wal-Mart". "Do you want fries with that?" "Plumbing supplies? Aisle 9."

(For the intellectually challenged such as yourself, that would be Wal-Mart, McDonalds and The Home Depot. All are hiring in your neighborhood now.)

I really don't think he'll be begging Mesa for a job.

 

[Yank McCobb]

Hey man...don't pee in my Cheerios. I'm having fun here.

 

[say again]

Hey man...don't pee in my Cheerios. I'm having fun here.

"Peeing in cheerios" is what keeps flightinfo alive!!! Enjoy the fun!

 

[GogglesPisano]

It's not going to matter if FlyI pays its pilots $200/hr or $10. The end result will be the same. The only question is when.

Enjoy your life on the street Mr. Big Time CRJ Driver. Maybe Mesa will hire you when you go begging over there. Then again, maybe they won't.

"Welcome to Wal-Mart". "Do you want fries with that?" "Plumbing supplies? Aisle 9."

(For the intellectually challenged such as yourself, that would be Wal-Mart, McDonalds and The Home Depot. All are hiring in your neighborhood now.)

Given a choice, I'd go with one of the bottom three.

 

[fly2002]

wow..is anyone happy in this industry? Everyone blames others pilots for their problems instead of management. Do you think any of the UALexpress pilots had any say in what goes on in those board rooms? FlyI management chose to make the decision they made, UAL management chose to begin whipsawing regionals, the likes we've never seem before. It must be lack of control over ones destiny that has some people stirred, myself included. Dude....drink a beer.

 

[Yank McCobb]

"Peeing in cheerios" is what keeps flightinfo alive!!! Enjoy the fun!

Once again...you can "say THAT again".

 

[wackford]

... Dude....drink a beer.

Perhaps he had one too many before creating that masterpiece.

 

[dabandermac]

reading these boards makes me not want head to the airlines, ever. do you like your jobs? which do you enjoy more: flying for your airline or blaming other airlines via flightinfo for the demise of the industry? i'd guess the latter.

fly safe, and enjoy life.
CV

 

[white E]

reading these boards makes me not want head to the airlines, ever. do you like your jobs? which do you enjoy more: flying for your airline or blaming other airlines via flightinfo for the demise of the industry? i'd guess the latter.

fly safe, and enjoy life.
CV

You have to understand that there is only so much bashing and whipsawing one can take before you turn against the company. Yes I will agree that there are a ton of pilots who bitch...constantly, but most of us take great pride in what we do and when we see MGT do seomthing stupdi or throw threats and crap in our faces....why yes it becomes a tough environment. Most people say it is all what YOU make of it...yes I agree there to a point. Everyone has there own breaking point. Once you have reached it your possibilities of being sane without bitching are limited. You have a long way to go before an airline is an option. Keep working on it and study the industry. Spend a couple of years at a regional and let see how you are then. Until then fly safe.
-W-

 

[Andy]

CRJ Driver, I'm not PO'd at FLYI anymore (furloughed UAL); I'm just counting the days until you children receive everything that you so richly deserve. And it's right around the corner for you.
I was furloughed from UAL prior to them asking for concessions from their Express carriers, so I don't have any sympathy for stupid idiots who walk away from guaranteed profits.
Yeah, every other Express carrier is making money at the new rates. How's FLYI doing? -$105 mil in the first quarter? No sweat, you had $300+ mil in the bank as seed money. The richest startup in airline history. I'm sure that there's plenty left over. NOT!
What is the point of your post? You want sympathy? Understanding? Acceptance for being ungrateful cretins? What?
Enjoy your unpaid chapter 7 vacation; I'm betting that it'll be a long one.
I hope that you've got kids. Kids that look into your eyes the day you lose your job and you have to tell them that 'things have changed.' I've been there and done that. I can tell you that it sucks rocks. It also sucks when you see one of the companies who's been sucking off of mother United's teet through some very lean times turn against mother United. And now you sit there reading their justifications for their stupid actions, wondering how to respond.
Is that the response that you were seeking from you flaimbait post? You got it in spades.

 

[N813CA]

ANDY

GO F your self. I work for DCI , and your last statement, I wouldn't wish on Mesa, even though I don't agree with them. Are you a HUMAN, you are definitely not professional. We all have our problems, trust me, MESA just showed up on our door step. That is bad enough. Independence tried something new, and I truly hope they screw you, even though I don't know who you work for. You deserve it.

 

[GogglesPisano]

CRJ Driver, I'm not PO'd at FLYI anymore (furloughed UAL); I'm just counting the days until you children receive everything that you so richly deserve. And it's right around the corner for you.
I was furloughed from UAL prior to them asking for concessions from their Express carriers, so I don't have any sympathy for stupid idiots who walk away from guaranteed profits.
Yeah, every other Express carrier is making money at the new rates. How's FLYI doing? -$105 mil in the first quarter? No sweat, you had $300+ mil in the bank as seed money. The richest startup in airline history. I'm sure that there's plenty left over. NOT!
What is the point of your post? You want sympathy? Understanding? Acceptance for being ungrateful cretins? What?
Enjoy your unpaid chapter 7 vacation; I'm betting that it'll be a long one.
I hope that you've got kids. Kids that look into your eyes the day you lose your job and you have to tell them that 'things have changed.' I've been there and done that. I can tell you that it sucks rocks. It also sucks when you see one of the companies who's been sucking off of mother United's teet through some very lean times turn against mother United. And now you sit there reading their justifications for their stupid actions, wondering how to respond.
Is that the response that you were seeking from you flaimbait post? You got it in spades.

How do you feel about Air Wisconsin?

And I'm curious why you feel so much anger at FlyI employees. Are you blaming them for UAL's slow demise? I think UAL management and FlyI management agree on one thing: It's not personal (ie: there is no loyalty) just business. Ask the Air Wisconsin guys about that. As a matter of fact, you can ask 2 generations of Air Wisconsin guys how benevolent UAL's "teet" is.

Cheers

 

[drag]

Andy,

Isn't funny how what goes around comes around. What we're witnessing is the demise of the regional industry. You see, it's OK to undercut and take small narrowbody mainline flying, toss pilots onto the street, and bitch about flowbacks, but it's unethical to think that a Freedom, TSA, or Gojet can actually undercut RJ providers like CMR. Watch them squirm when management pits one RJP (rj provider) against another for a contract. Soon, mother DAL will toss CMR/ASA to the Capitalist heap where they'll have to compete for contracts. No more mainline handouts........"No soup for you!!!"

If it's any consolation, be glad your out now. Imagine these RJ pilots when 22 year old Freedom/Gojet/Republic/XYZ pilots show up in the terminal with smiles from ear to ear because they now get to fly jets. The pay scales and QOL has most definately peaked at the Regionals.

 

[Relic01]

Are you bashing UAL,Mesa and Pinnacles pilots now. What gives you the right to do so? I find people like yourself all over pissed off at the world and looking for someone to blame for your problems pointing fingers at the wrong place. I have friends at FlyI so I won't stoop to your level. I wouldn't wish furlough or the uncertainty at your company on anyone. Then again, other than furloughs, no pax airline other than SWA is certain about their future right now. The industry is going through some h*e*l*l* of a change right now.

By the way, what was meant by this statement CRJ Driver

"Mesa and just for fun...PNCL pilots should park your RJ's for the safety of the flying public and innocent homeowners and renters, motorists, etc.. below".
I find this an insult to me and the thousand of Mesa pilots who go through our day transporting people safely from place to place. I find it disheartening that you could even say "just for fun" when refering to the tragedy involving the pinnacle crash. I find that totally disgusting.

Something that is really funny to me is that people like you will blame Mesa for everything. It is only a matter of time before the next fingerpointing.

Fuel prices are at an all time high due to Mesa.
The industry is in a downturn due to Mesa.
FLYI lost $105 million last quarter due to Mesa.
Air Whiskey loses their contract with United and SKYWEST?GOJET pick up the flying due to MESA.
US continues to lose money while in bankruptcy reorganization due to Mesa.
Southwest made more money than anyone else due to Mesa.
Delta awards Freedom previous flying of ACA, now Mesa is bringing down the guys at COMAIR/ASA.

 

[Carl_Everett]

CRJ Driver, I'm not PO'd at FLYI anymore (furloughed UAL); I'm just counting the days until you children receive everything that you so richly deserve. And it's right around the corner for you.
I was furloughed from UAL prior to them asking for concessions from their Express carriers, so I don't have any sympathy for stupid idiots who walk away from guaranteed profits.
Yeah, every other Express carrier is making money at the new rates. How's FLYI doing? -$105 mil in the first quarter? No sweat, you had $300+ mil in the bank as seed money. The richest startup in airline history. I'm sure that there's plenty left over. NOT!
What is the point of your post? You want sympathy? Understanding? Acceptance for being ungrateful cretins? What?
Enjoy your unpaid chapter 7 vacation; I'm betting that it'll be a long one.
I hope that you've got kids. Kids that look into your eyes the day you lose your job and you have to tell them that 'things have changed.' I've been there and done that. I can tell you that it sucks rocks. It also sucks when you see one of the companies who's been sucking off of mother United's teet through some very lean times turn against mother United. And now you sit there reading their justifications for their stupid actions, wondering how to respond.
Is that the response that you were seeking from you flaimbait post? You got it in spades.

"I am NOT flying this aircraft until I get the same topping on my cheesecake as the first class passengers!"

Care to tell us again why you were furloughed?

 

[say again]

CRJ Driver, I'm not PO'd at FLYI anymore (furloughed UAL); I'm just counting the days until you children receive everything that you so richly deserve. And it's right around the corner for you.
I was furloughed from UAL prior to them asking for concessions from their Express carriers, so I don't have any sympathy for stupid idiots who walk away from guaranteed profits.
Yeah, every other Express carrier is making money at the new rates. How's FLYI doing? -$105 mil in the first quarter? No sweat, you had $300+ mil in the bank as seed money. The richest startup in airline history. I'm sure that there's plenty left over. NOT!
What is the point of your post? You want sympathy? Understanding? Acceptance for being ungrateful cretins? What?
Enjoy your unpaid chapter 7 vacation; I'm betting that it'll be a long one.
I hope that you've got kids. Kids that look into your eyes the day you lose your job and you have to tell them that 'things have changed.' I've been there and done that. I can tell you that it sucks rocks. It also sucks when you see one of the companies who's been sucking off of mother United's teet through some very lean times turn against mother United. And now you sit there reading their justifications for their stupid actions, wondering how to respond.
Is that the response that you were seeking from you flaimbait post? You got it in spades.

Cry me a freakin' river!!

I've been furloughed twice, and there's one thing that I will never, ever do- and that's wish for others to be furloughed. Dude, you need to f-ing grow up, especially since you've been through it and know how difficult it is.

As for the whole UAL-Indy thing, I don't get involved because "everyone's right and nobody's wrong!" UAL was right for wanting to pay less, Indy was right for not accepting, and so forth and so on. As for the consequences, self-explanatory.

 

[detwilers]

Yeah, every other Express carrier is making money at the new rates. How's FLYI doing? -$105 mil in the first quarter?

The only original United Express carrier left is a non union carrier. The new carriers are paying well below industry average for the type of aircraft. I believe the problem is with the union. They say "One Union, One Voice" and "We Stand United". I don't know why ALPA does not work harder on similar pay scales and putting their foot down when they need to in the interest of EVERYONE not just their carriers pilot group. Contracts with pay tables based on percent of industry average would be an example. (i.e. a good contract would have pay tables of 108% of industry average and a bad one 95% of industry average.) A Contract below a certain percent would just be unacceptable period.