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Flying Freddie

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FLYi May File for Bankruptcy, Shares Fall
Wednesday November 10, 3:00 pm ET Shares of FlYi Fall As Much As 36 Percent As Company Confirms It May File for Bankruptcy

NEW YORK (AP) -- Shares of FLYi Inc., operator of fledgling low-cost carrier Independence Air, dove as much as 36 percent in Wednesday trading after the company confirmed it may file for bankruptcy if it is unable to make $83 million aircraft lease payments in January.

[size=-2][/size]In afternoon trading, shares of FLYi were down 30 percent, or 59 cents, to $1.32 on almost six times its average volume, leading a broad decline in the airline sector despite crude oil prices that have slipped well below the $50-per-barrel mark in recent sessions.

The American Stock Exchange Airline Index was down 2.8 percent, or 1.56 points, to 53.36 points in intraday activity.

In a quarterly report filed with regulators Tuesday afternoon, FLYi said fierce competition and soaring fuel prices drained more cash than expected when the company converted from a regional carrier to an independent discount airline in June. In October, the company posted a third-quarter loss of $82.7 million, or $1.82 per share, much wider than the year-earlier loss of $21.3 million, or 47 cents per share.

Although FLYi's traffic and occupancy levels have improved over the past two months, its finances are saddled by leases on about 30 planes that it operated as a former regional arm of cash-strapped Delta Air Lines Inc., which is unable to assume liability for the planes because of a poor credit rating.

In its filing, FLYi said it is trying to restructure and retire early some of the leases, adding that it started talks to secure funding to cover the lease payments and future obligations. The company is due to pay $83 million in regional jet lease bills in January.

"If the company is unsuccessful in those negotiations in a satisfactory or timely manner, it will be forced to consider commencing a bankruptcy case under Chapter 11 of the U.S. Bankruptcy Code or may be the subject of an involuntary Chapter 11 case commenced against it by creditors," FLYi wrote in a Securities and Exchange Commission statement.

The airline, however, insists it has "sufficient" liquidity to meet all obligations until January.

Meanwhile, shares of Delta were down almost 5 percent, or 27 cents, at $5.98 on news that the nation's third-largest carrier will cut up to 6,900 positions and plans to issue 75 million shares in its latest efforts to avoid filing for bankruptcy protection.

The Atlanta-based carrier on Wednesday said it will grant shares to employees and creditors in exchange for previously negotiated wage concessions and the deferral of maturing debt as Delta edges toward its 2006 goal of saving $5 billion per year. Delta also said it is on track to reach $2.3 billion in savings by the end of this year.

Delta said achieving quick implementation of the share issuance plan required the New York Stock Exchange to clear Delta's use of an exception to an NYSE policy requiring shareholder approval prior to the offering. The share issue represents significant dilution to the stock as Delta currently has only about 125.6 million average shares outstanding.

The airline added that it will slash between 6,000 and 6,900 non-pilot employees over the next 18 months, reduce certain benefits and cut pay by 10 percent across the board.

Shares of Continental Airlines Inc. were down 2.5 percent, or 27 cents, at $10.68 on the NYSE, Northwest Airlines Corp. shares were down 1.5 percent at $9.99 on the Nasdaq, AMR Corp. shares dropped 3.8 percent, or 35 cents, to $8.88 on the NYSE, JetBlue Airways Corp. was down 4.5 percent, or $1.07, at $22.55 on the Nasdaq and Southwest Airlines Inc. shares fell 2.2 percent, or 35 cents, to $15.67 on the NYSE.
 
BK will continue to be used as a business tactic for DOA airlines to survive.

BK may well turn out to be the single most damaging business tactic ever used on a large scale to destroy contract labor.

Every airline that files will put even more pressure on the remaining airlines to file in order to compete.

Sooner or later the goverment will have to step in for BK reforms in order to prevent wholesale use as a business tool.
 
Highly unlilely as they would have to do it for less money than Mesa or Chautaqua. Given what the pilots (and others) are paid at those airlines, I just do not see that happening. The race to the bottom continues!
 
As someone else mentioned they are using BK to lower pilot's salaries, among other things. A little too much conspiracy theory in that, but the fact is there is too much capacity and airlines like USairways/United are stuck with old business models that need to go away permanently, ie Chapter 7 liquidation and let the free market work. They are driving down ticket prices at other companies which force them to look at ways to lower costs which unfortunately include pilot salaries.
 
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".......and let the free market work."


See, there is more of that "free-market" talk again. I find it hard to consider it a "free-market" when companies are allowed (by the govt.) to wallow in chap. 11 protection for years and years. There is no free-market competition there......
 
Did anyone review the Midway Airlines model out of RDU before Indy was created? This all sounds familiar to me. Aaaah, the CRJ and it's wonderful contribution to airline prosperity (especially in a low-fare market).....
 
If you read the article the RJ has nothing to do with it. In fact the RJ is doing quite well. Its the the double then normal fuel cost and the competition with United who has chapter 11 protecting them for the last 2 years!! But I know everybody is an expert here.
 
The CRJ's CASM is very high and when you aren't filling half the seats, you got trouble. Competition is tough everywhere and United (and other legacies) wants to squish this bug while it still small. The industry doesn't need another carrier, especially another LCC. Hopefully someone will want FLYi to provide regional service for them, if not, I see a Chap 11 followed quickly with a Chap 7. There isn't too much to sell. Obviously selling aircraft provides capital, but for one, it isn't a good market, and two, you are selling the assets you need to make revenue.

Capacity is already way too high and yields are way too low. FLYi is flooding the DC market with low (unsustainable) fares. Even with their low prices, they have less than a 50% load factor. I don't think this company will survive 2005 as an independent carrier.....
 
furloughed dude said:
Even with their low prices, they have less than a 50% load factor. I don't think this company will survive 2005 as an independent carrier.....
As with any product, it takes a little while to make the brand known. The most mature markets are only 5 months old. The youngest are a little over a month old. You are correct that system wide load factor is low, but they don't release city-by-city numbers, so we don't know how the markets are maturing. Plus, the company admitted that they weren't going to "hit homeruns" in every city pair. Expect to see changes as time goes by and some capacity movement around the system.
 
7 flights a day from Dulles to Lansing, MI was a great move. Why? And, how are the Knoxville to Tampa flights working on the CRJ?


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
On Your Six said:
Did anyone review the Midway Airlines model out of RDU before Indy was created? This all sounds familiar to me. Aaaah, the CRJ and it's wonderful contribution to airline prosperity (especially in a low-fare market).....
Well yeah, we did. DC is the 5th biggest O&D market in the country. RDU is way down the list. Most of the big bucks traveling people in the DC area live closer to IAD than BWI which helps as well.

Nobody here wanted to start with CRJ's in a LCC model. It is simply the fleet we had when we walked away from UAL. The addition of the Airbus is only the first part of the plan, so expect more changes.

General, the MCO/TPA to HSV, TYS, CAE etc routes are doing well, thanks for asking. I'm sure the Indy haters out there would prefer we made no changes and died quickly, but at least our mgmt is willing to test the waters and make quick changes when required.

Kudo's to you at DL in defending your ATL base from J6 and us. I figured hourly IAD/ATL in an RJ would not work, and we backed down quickly on that market to do the "bypass ATL and get to FL quickly" routes.

As for the press coverage of "impending bankruptcy", while it is true we have a bigger gas bill than planned and stumbled out of the gate in avoiding the GDS systems, there are fixes to the cash flow problem being finalized now. The GDS system is up & running and the loads are up as a result.

No that I'm done learning how to "pull heading, push nav" I'm looking forward to begining bus ops around turkey day.

BTW general, I called your resv to fly home from training (I don't live in domicile) and they quoted me a king's ransom ($750) for a flight a day late. Going to priceline.com got me a confirmed seat for little more than a ben franklin at the time I wanted. I don't mind supporting DL (especially after all the JS rides you have been kind enough to grant) when I'm dragging so many bags, but that was really a big disparity. Guess that's why we are drivers instead of market planners. Oh, where are my manners, you are welcome to ride on us anytime you want, but be advised the number of free JS passes I can give out are getting fewer as the loads increase.

Peace out...
 
w4mch said:
General, the MCO/TPA to HSV, TYS, CAE etc routes are doing well, thanks for asking. I'm sure the Indy haters out there would prefer we made no changes and died quickly, but at least our mgmt is willing to test the waters and make quick changes when required.
They are?

Loads on a recent today (# of seats sold for 50 seat aircraft):

MCO-HSV 17 and 20
MCO-TYS 24, 34 and 24
MCO-CAE 33 and 26
TPA-HSV 11 and 5
TPA-TYS 31 and 30
TPA-CAE 19 and 7

Average load factor: 43.2%

I hope things improve for us, I am done drinking the KOOL AID
 
FutureTEDpilot said:
Any of you Indy types tell me how Marc Hawkins is doing?


I owe that man a Cold Beer.............
Um, he's doing fine Randy, how about you?

Leaving MIA in the morning, ticket in hand...
 
Machdog1 said:
If you read the article the RJ has nothing to do with it. In fact the RJ is doing quite well. Its the the double then normal fuel cost and the competition with United who has chapter 11 protecting them for the last 2 years!! But I know everybody is an expert here.
C'mon - you can't spread the operating & financing costs very well over 50 seats when you are only offering low fares. Sure, utilization is the answer - except that flying on the East Coast is loaded with delay surprises and nasty weather during the winter that create a domino effect not appreciated by passengers. Plus, delays only burn more expensive gas...

Seriously, I hope you guys can pull it out but some aspects of the plan are a bit loony - I hope you get more Airbus airplanes very soon because the CRJ is not the most economic or ergonomic option.


W4mch,

Congrats on having a few semi-successful routes. The problem is we all need a lot of successful routes with these high fuel prices. With larger airplanes you can spread the costs out with more seats. Low Cost RJs don't make sense.


Bye Bye --- General Lee
 
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General Lee said:
I hope you get more Airbus airplanes very soon because the CRJ is not the most economic or ergonomic option.

Bye Bye --- General Lee
Agree with you 100%. The rabbit out of the hat trick is to get the busses running before we die, then figure out how to replace the CRJs with something more economical.
 

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