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dash8driver64
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Turtlesfly
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Unfortunately, not just for you guys does this suck, but now this gives ammunition to the other regionals/majors asking for concessions . . . "well look what happened to Independence! If you don't take this, this is going to happen to you too!" Just what we need is to give the dark side more power . . . .
best of luck to all you who deserved better
best of luck to all you who deserved better
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dash8driver64 said:
A Pyrrhic victory (pronounced pirric) is a victory which is won at too great a cost for the victor. The phrase is a reference to King Pyrrhus of Epirus, who defeated the Romans at Heraclea and Asculum in 279 BC, but suffered severe and irreplaceable casualties in the process, going on to eventually lose the Pyrrhic War. After the battle of Asculum, Plutarch relates a report by Dionysius that:
"The armies separated; and, it is said, Pyrrhus replied to one that gave him joy of his victory that one other such would utterly undo him. For he had lost a great part of the forces he brought with him, and almost all his particular friends and principal commanders; there were no others there to make recruits, and he found the confederates in Italy backward. On the other hand, as from a fountain continually flowing out of the city, the Roman camp was quickly and plentifully filled up with fresh men, not at all abating in courage for the loss they sustained, but even from their very anger gaining new force and resolution to go on with the war." [1] The phrase is more often reported as "Another such victory over the Romans and we are undone". While it is most closely associated with a military battle, the term is used by analogy in fields such as business, politics, law or sport to describe any similar struggle which is ruinous for the victor. For example: "The football team gained a pyrrhic victory; they won the game but their star players broke their legs."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhic_victory
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No one wants to loan FlyI money, because their business model is not workable.The regionals, flying high-cost RJs, don't have a business model that works without big-daddy major airline feeding them via a fee-for-departure guaranteed profit.
With FlyI, Mesaba, and Expressjet we're just seeing the start of managements squeeze of the regionals airline employees. Get ready boys and girls, take a look at Mesa, because that's the standard you're heading towards.
Ever notice how the profitable airlines (SW and JetBlue) don't have small jets? The legacies and regionals are welded to each other, their business models are impossible to change without implosion at the major airline.
This country needs to decide what kind of airline system it wants to have. Airlines are much too capital intensive to react fast to huge changes in economic conditions. What I think we need is a general strike for a couple of days by regional pilots. See how Joe-sixpack and Bill businessman likes NOT having convenient and timely service from secondary cities. There would be a howl you could hear in South America.
With FlyI, Mesaba, and Expressjet we're just seeing the start of managements squeeze of the regionals airline employees. Get ready boys and girls, take a look at Mesa, because that's the standard you're heading towards.
Ever notice how the profitable airlines (SW and JetBlue) don't have small jets? The legacies and regionals are welded to each other, their business models are impossible to change without implosion at the major airline.
This country needs to decide what kind of airline system it wants to have. Airlines are much too capital intensive to react fast to huge changes in economic conditions. What I think we need is a general strike for a couple of days by regional pilots. See how Joe-sixpack and Bill businessman likes NOT having convenient and timely service from secondary cities. There would be a howl you could hear in South America.
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propjockey said:
This story is more like the "The Fugitive" where a prisoner narrowly escapes execution and, while on his own, faces seemingly insurmountable obstacles to regaining control of his life. Unfortunately, this story didn't work out as well for INDY as it did for Harrison Ford but that doesn't mean they shouldn't have given it a shot. Separating from UAL was the proper thing to do. It's just too bad that the new business didn't work out.
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RJ wings on flatbeds
Sad day indeed. Best of luck to all over there. I made a lot of great friends there and hate to see them, or anyone, go through this.
Maybe I missed it on another thread out there, but maybe some of you guys still at Indy can answer this. What are they doing down in CAE with the RJs? A friend of mine told me that they are taking the wings off of the RJs and shipping them somewhere on flatbed trucks. Sounds like that place has turned into an aircraft chop shop. Seems that it would be cheaper to just fly them to the desert. Anyway, I was just curious.
Best of luck to you all....actually to everyone. The way this industry is going, we're all going to need it.
Sad day indeed. Best of luck to all over there. I made a lot of great friends there and hate to see them, or anyone, go through this.
Maybe I missed it on another thread out there, but maybe some of you guys still at Indy can answer this. What are they doing down in CAE with the RJs? A friend of mine told me that they are taking the wings off of the RJs and shipping them somewhere on flatbed trucks. Sounds like that place has turned into an aircraft chop shop. Seems that it would be cheaper to just fly them to the desert. Anyway, I was just curious.
Best of luck to you all....actually to everyone. The way this industry is going, we're all going to need it.
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Maybe they are parting out a few aircraft. When US Airways filed bankruptcy the first time there were a couple of 737's that were parted out by the lessors. They weren't very old...
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/855460/M
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/411951/M/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/855460/M
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/411951/M/
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PacoPollo said:
Not a good career move from what my friends there tell me. Will never upgrade until they are too old to apply to SWA or jetBlue or whatever major is hiring in 15+ years.
Might as well make a good living outside of the aviation industry which is what they are about to do once they both finish their MBAs
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Easy Mac said:
Yeah me neither. It was in the back of my head, but I expected them to make as other airlines have in the past. Indy Air had really changed the way ACA did customer service. I heard nothing but great things about the Flyi Family once they made the change away from UAL.
This will really open your eyes to something. ACA was the place to be about 3 years ago. Everyone of my college friends went there right out of school. Hell, I wanted to go there.
Just to think such a great regional in the past will be shutting it's doors in less than 1 week. CHQ is today where ACA was yesterday. It could happen to any of us.
I must say; the crews at ACA were a class from the top. Always professional, but yet always friendly and a lot of fun. Some of my very best peeps going thur class at CHQ came from ACA/Indy. You guys fought for what was right. Although it didn't end on the best terms, you have truly set the bar one notch higher. Best of Luck to you and your Families!
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